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On Wednesday 27 October 2004 12:34 am, Brendan wrote:
> > I wish people would find something different to complain about with
> > Gentoo, it's not like you can't *use* your system while it's compiling.
>
> You can't regulate what people complain about. Give them an alternative.

I never said I could regulate what people complained about.  An alternative=
=20
for those who like complaining would be the increasing price of peanut=20
butter. :P

> > People have no problems with Folding@Home or Seti@Home, but turn on a
> > background compile and OH MY GOD HORROR.
>
> Yes, horror when you have no updated software for 3 days. Most people want
> everything now. Not saying that it is right or not, but you said you wish=
ed
> they would find something else to complain about.

Well in my experience new packages hit Portage soon after an upstream relea=
se. =20
Even when Gentoo is slacking in that department, people with experience on=
=20
Gentoo know that it is typically as simple as copying the ebuild file and=20
bumping the version number.  Although it may take a bit of time to compile,=
=20
Gentoo users typically can get a head start on the process, so that evens=20
things out a little.

But please, please, please don't exaggerate.  I once tried to use Gentoo on=
 a=20
laptop with 64 MB of RAM and a AMD K6-2 with hardly any cache (although it=
=20
was 550 MHz IIRC).  Anyways, I didn't try compiling KDE, but compiling and=
=20
installing XFree86 "only" took about 8-10 hours on that.  Although hardly a=
=20
speed record, it's not "3 days".

Besides, Gentoo provides binary packages for the larger items (although tho=
se=20
aren't updated nearly as often as the source releases in Portage), so it's=
=20
not like you're completely screwed.  But hey, if you're using a low-spec=20
system, then I'll be the first to implore you to *use something else*.  I'm=
=20
not quite sure what (although I suppose Ark Linux or Yoper springs to mind)=
,=20
but my point isn't that Gentoo is great for everyone (it's not), my point i=
s=20
that compiling software shouldn't be a problem for most users.

After all, it's not like there is a dearth of things to complain about=20
regarding Gentoo.  There's all the zealots who act like Gentoo is the best=
=20
thing since sliced bread (it's not), or the fact that upgrading GCC to the=
=20
next major release is like playing russian roulette with your KDE=20
installation (you should see the bug reports for JuK, whose C++ dependencie=
s=20
exacerbate the problem).

Maybe it's just me, but I just can't understand the people who complain abo=
ut=20
having to compile software.  If you managed to survive through yesterday=20
without foo-x.y+1, I think you'd be able to manage another hour (or even, G=
od=20
forbid, a day).  It's not like you're using Windows 98 where you simply can=
't=20
do anything else, unless you're trying to play UT2004 or something you shou=
ld=20
be able to use your computer just fine, even while it is compiling somethin=
g.

If you really must have the latest and greatest *NOW*, then you'll usually =
end=20
up compiling from source anyways, which is *exactly* what you'd be doing=20
under Gentoo.

Regards,
 - Michael Pyne

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