Hello James. In the past I voiced my opinion that a KDE CVS live CD would be a great tool for several reasons, the points you mentioned and some more: - non technical users can sneak a peek at development progress (great for those asking for "official development builds") - kde developer can get up and going very quickly on any computer - non-kde developers can check out progress regarding interaction between KDE CVS and non-KDE programs - translators can understand context of word usage without sacrificing their more stable builds, the same for documentation writers - tech journalists/press can report about new technical features in the development versions more easily (possibly counterbalancing all the longhorn press) - interested companies can look at the technical state of a running KDE CVS and compare it to the last official release - usability people can do usability tests with the bleeding edge stuff so still remaining usability issues could get solved before the first official release I stopped promoting this however since a majority of people seem to see only the possible bad side of such a live CD, assuming people have assumptions like: - live CD has to be perfect, everything else will put KDE into a bad light - everyone will want to install it, making official releases in vain - everyone will talk about the live CD's bugs, causing confusion for those who only target either the KDE CVS Head and/or 3.1.x Branch where those don't exist (anymore) It's obvious that a KDE CVS live CD hardly will ever offered officially by KDE itself this way which I think is kind of sad but playing safe for the project as a whole. It needs to be very pronounced in every way possible that a KDE CVS live CD is only a "technology preview" *not* intended for installation and productive use. If there'll ever be a public release it better has its own Bugzilla where bugs from the live CD are collected and only forwarded to bugs.kde.org if they are confirmed in CVS. This would basically make it an independent bleeding edge distribution (which I would be willing to support, call it KGX ;). As for now I guess it's a good idea to keep Knopdex private and only give it to interested persons who can prove to be active contributors to or knowledgeable supporters of KDE and know about the whole difficulty of this issue. Cheers, Datschge =) >> Visit http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub to unsubscribe <<