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Subject:    Re: Reports from Brazilian Open Software Conference 2003 (long)
From:       Patrick Julien <freak () codepimps ! org>
Date:       2003-06-09 21:52:39
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Have you investigated all your options?  I can't believe that Suse or Mandrake 
would not be willing to provide this.

On June 9, 2003 03:57 pm, Aviram Alkalay wrote:
> Helio, KDE-Developes, etc,
> I'm a kind of KDE contributer also in Brazil. Soon CVS will receive some
> pieces of code I'm working on.
>
> At a corporate level, here at IBM we are talking about a global desktop
> support offering, but it is mostly based on Ximian (read Gnome).
> To let us say we globally "support a Linux Desktop", we need somebody to
> give us 3rd level support, somebody to call when a customer have a problem
> and a commitment that there is somebody to look and fix the bug. We (or a
> customer) can't depend on the kde-devel mailing list.
> From this perspective, Ximian represents a corporate endpoint for it, with
> solutions like red-carpet, etc. We can also sign a support contract with
> them.
>
> I noticed there is a KDE::Enterprise initiative, but they look to me as
> inexpressive from a corporate perspective. I mean people that can come and
> talk in a business level with business people saying "sign this contract
> and I'll give you support", not just developers saying "subscribe this
> mailling list and you'll have free support from the source".
>
> Personaly, I prefer KDE, and I believe it is a much more integrated,
> smooth and advanced desktop for the final user. I want KDE to be the
> winner of the Linux desktop (or any desktop). But a corporate commitment
> is vital.
>
> As an example, few day ago I reported a design problem (bug #59285)
> regarding 100% unaccessible files when their names are non-UTF-8 encoded.
> Many developers understood the severity but the position was "this is
> mainly unsupported, and will fix when we'll have time". I'm not blaming
> them, because I understand. But this is the kind of problem a company can't
> stand without help. There is many ways to workaround this particular
> situation, but I'm talking about the approach to the problem, and not the
> problem per-se.
>
> Thank you,
> Avi
>
>
>
> Avi Alkalay <avi at br.ibm.com> :: SW & IT Architect
> LA Linux Impact Team :: IBM Brazil :: http://ibm.com/linux
> Tel: +55 11 2132-2327 | Mobile: 9659-9059 | Tie: 842-2327
>
> :: Think Open : Think Linux ::
>
> ----- Forwarded by Aviram Alkalay/Brazil/IBM on 09/06/2003 16:24 -----
>
>
> "Avi" <avi@alkalay.net>
> 09/06/2003 16:17
>
>
>         To:     Aviram Alkalay/Brazil/IBM@IBMBR
>         cc:
>         Subject:        Fwd: Reports from Brazilian Open Software
> Conference 2003 (long)
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original message -----
> From: "Helio Chissini de Castro" <helio@conectiva.com.br>
> To: kde-core-devel@kde.org
> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:22:03 -0300
> Subject: Reports from Brazilian Open Software Conference 2003 (long)
>
> Hello all..
>
> I'm just back from my journey ( closed airports, delay, no lunch, etc.. )
> to
> Open Software Conference at Rio Grande do Sul, where i did a speach about
> Corporate Desktop and KDE approach.
>
> First, a little excerpt from what this conference represents to Brazil
> itself.
> This conference become the major computer conference in Brazil, since the
> down
> of Comdex Brazil and Fenasoft, and in last two years they earn a strong
> political side, since Brazilian government is strong turned to Open
> software.
> It happen's every year in the same place, Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do
> Sul,
> where is a strong GNU/Linux nest, and barelly all Gnome centric. To
> finish
> excerpt, just mention that the guy who leads Rio Grande government
> software
> project, Marcelo Branco, is now invited to assume all Brazilian
> government
> software project, antd he is a "just Gnome" guy indeed.
>
> So, after 4 hours delay in my flight, a arrived at Porto Alegre and
> barely
> have time to eat something and goes to conference. Today, the last day,
> is
> considered the "Gnome Day", since Mr. Icaza was going to do two speachs
> in
> the main room ( 600 places ), and the first one was happen just an hour
> before i arrived. To mention, no seats are empty. A comment: Icaza is
> kind of
> a mytical God there. Is really a star to this people.
> When i got my id's, i just go to V.I.P. room, closed to speach guys.
> After i
> just turn on my notebook, and start read mail., Mr. Icaza comes to my
> surprise and seat aside me to do the same. I tried, i really tried change
> some words with him, but you know how must be hard speak to a God must
> be,
> hardly when the guy REALLY act as one.. For a few moments i'm feeling a
> bit
> unpleased with everything, despite the good treatment gave me by the
> staff.
> After harsh talk with Miguel ( KDE is not interesting, Gnome will be won
> in
> the next version, Mono i seven times better than pnet, yada, yada, yada
> ),
> was the time to front the real treat, Mr. Marcelo Branco ( from
> government ).
> I barely talk with him, but after some talk, i figure out that to put our
> beloved KDE in, we will need do things from a different way..
> That's what i start to did in that moment..
> I was prepared a small old notebook P2-300 Mhz, 64Mb , with new Conectiva
> Linux, to prove to everyone that's be  possible run our distro, and most
> of
> all, KDE in a simple machine.
> And to show new features, package fom CVS HEAD 4/06/2003, including
> Gideon and
> Quanta.
> So, when i arrive at my speach room, how surprise i'm am about having
> almost
> all seats ( 100 ) full, and after i start, just a few leave during the
> speach. So, hard responsibility, things must work and i had to be
> delicately
> about talk with many Gnome Hun Hords in the room too, showing just KDE
> itself, and avoiding any comparison. Thanks God, evrything goes allright,
> and
> no Krash appears during the 1 hour speach, despite some slowness due a
> little
> mem, and surprisely, i got some of crowd to participate from the speach.
> But, what i really mention above about which steps we ( at Brazil ) will
> need
> do to put KDE in our gov. i did in the early beginning and the end of my
> speach.
> In the beginning, when i'm introducing myself, i spoke about the three
> only
> Brazilian KDE developers ( me, Roberto and Thiago ), and mention that we
> have
> a lot of difficult to reach developers here to help. I really touched
> some
> guys in this moment, but the "piece of resistance" comes in the end
> Questions
> time.
> A corporate guy that watching my speach ask me this question:
> - "In this conference government stated that 2004 will be the Open
> Software
> year to Brazil. I want to know if KDE will be there at this time.."
> - This is the clue that i was waiting. My response was directly. We want,
> we
> really need, but now, we are three and some translators. We will do all
> efforts to walk with this moment, but if we didn't have more local help,
> will
> be dificult...
> After, many people come to me to ask some more directly question about
> speach
> talks, but i really earn the day when i walked on the conference
> showrooms,
> and listening a lot of people talking well about my speach, and more, i
> believe that i earn one or two newest possible developers.. My first move
> will be completly done when the hears of KDE speach reach in the Gov.
> guys
> ears.. And more, i reach this without using any usual Win/Gnome attacks
> that
> some guys usually use.
> Just to mention, at the end of my speach, this guys ( Gov. guys ) are at
> main
> room conference again with Miguel de Icaza in a really boring Mono
> speach,
> for about 500 people :-P
>
> I really don't know if i'm a little emotive now, but in the plane backing
> home
> i really felt that had a great day to both Conectiva and KDE project..
> More
> days like this must come :-)
>
> --
> Helio Castro
> KDE Developer
> Development Conectiva S.A.
>
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