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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: PROPOSAL: Drop aKtion from KDE kdemultimedia package
From:       Moritz Moeller-Herrmann <mmh () gmx ! net>
Date:       2002-12-16 17:35:30
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Neil Stevens wrote:

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> On Monday December 16, 2002 04:05, Moritz Moeller-Herrmann wrote:
>> IMHO aktion is not up to KDE's standards and should be moved to
>> kdeextragear-x or something.
> 
> Which standards?

Quality standards. The opposite of your discussion style, you know?

>  Did you file bug reports, or contact its maintainer at
> all?  Are you on the kde-multimedia list, seeing the proposal I already
> made for the app?

The limitations of aktion are inherent to aktion, because it just uses 
xanim. What would the bug report say?
 
>> Reason: aktion is just a wrapper to xanim. While xanim was nice and
>> unique a few years back, it is now almost useless compared to
>> videoplayers like aviplay, xine and especially mplayer [which btw needs
>> a qt/kde based GUI...].
> 
> So what if it's not unique?

You are very good at misunderstanding people. My argument does not say 
remove aktion because it is not unique.

> If it was useful for people before, it can be
> useful now.  

No it is not. No modern avi/video file can be played with aktion.

> You admit that the your preferred player lacks a KDE UI,
> after all.  (Have you even tried the other video player in KDE 3.1?)

Do you mean noatun? Plays only mpeg, no quicktime, no modern avi formats, no 
windows media, no realvideo files.

The gui is not very important for playing videos... mplayer already has arts 
sound support.

>> So I think aktion ATM only serves to confuse newbies, who try to play
>> avi and quicktime files with it only to discover that xanim/aktion is
>> slow and doesn't support any codec newer than 5 years.
> 
> How many times have you been told by users that it's confusing?

The reason for my post was a warning I read in a KDE newsgroup, where a 
newbie was advised not to use aktion.

> I'd be surprised at this, since aKtion is practically hidden in the K menu
> today.
> 
> Anyway, on to what I already proposed and put in the 3.2 feature plan:  My
> suspicion is that Kaboodle + xine_artsplugin already serve as a superior
> replacement to aKtion, but I'm not sure, not being a user of aKtion.  So I
> think a little patience is in order:
> 
> 1. Write a configure check that will disable aKtion when xanim isn't
> installed.
> 
> 2. Give people time to step up and write an arts playobject based on xine,
> as I already proposed on kde-multimedia and the KDE 3.2 feature plan.
> 
> 3. If nobody steps up at all, cvs remove it for the 3.2 betas.

So after suggesting I am an ass, you agree with me after all. Thanks.


 
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