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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: keramik flat toolbars patch
From:       Fred Malabre <fmalabre () yahoo ! com>
Date:       2002-10-07 14:39:40
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Well, personnaly I like the waves as they are today.
If they had to be removed, I wouldn't be made neither.

Still, making it optional would be the best option. Especially when we can see 
there are so different opinions on the question, that would make everyone 
happy ;-)

Fred.

On Monday 07 October 2002 09:30 am, Luke Chatburn wrote:
> Okay, well, here is a user perspective...
>
> NOTE: I have been told I tend to write starting out playing devil's
> advocate and working back towards the middle ground from there, so please
> be patient
>
> :)
>
> Wild accusation!: Keramik is very pretty, but sometimes over the top.
> Personally, and this is only my opinion, I find the wave to be a little too
> much with the toolbar icons.
>
> Visually, I think that the wave is half complete as a design concept. It
> alludes to a curve, and yet the icons on top fail to meet that idea. They
> remain flat as ever. This does disconcert the eye, very much like when you
> see bad photoshopings (is it a verb, should we change that to gimpings? who
> knows!) where a flat image is overlayed onto a non-planar surface, without
> compensatory distortion.
>
> Personally, I think it really does look vey nice flat, and it makes the
> contrast with the rounded widgets, such as the Konqi address input more
> pronounced:
>
> http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?file=3371-1.png
>
> I also think it might be good to reign Keramik in just a little bit in
> places, and I think it might win over a few people who feel it is slightly
> unprofessional. That said, it isn't my opinion, I love Keramik overall.
>
> The one way I could see to resolve the conflicting concepts of the curve
> and the icons is by adding a drop shadow beneath them and distorting that
> with the wave. That way, they appear to be floating. And yes, it is
> computationally expensive, comparitively speaking; but icon drop shadows
> might be pretty, and changing depth of shadow with mouse over would be a
> really nice visual effect. Mind, then you get into designing Mac
> interfaces, so maybe I'll shut up now :)
>
> -Luke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julien Olivier" <julo@altern.org>
> To: <kde-devel@kde.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 4:20 PM
> Subject: Re: keramik flat toolbars patch
>
> > > >> >Its consequences are to remove the "wave" effect when you have more
> > > >> > than one toolbar.
> > > >>
> > > >> If these were to be removed (which I don't think they should), this
>
> is
>
> > > >> not the proper solution. You're drawing bogus 'flat' pixmaps on the
> > > >> toolbars for no need.
> > > >
> > > >In fact, I just didn't want to send a wish and hear in return
>
> "implement
>
> > > > it yourself" :) That's why I made this little patch: it's simple to
> > > > understand what it does and it doesn't break the whole code. More
>
> over, I
>
> > > > didn't want to lose hours to make a good patch just to hear in return
>
> "I
>
> > > > don't think the wavy effect should be removed". So, if you don't want
>
> the
>
> > > > wavy effect to be removed, just ignore the patch. Else, if you tell
> > > > me that's a good idea, I'll find a better way to implement it and
>
> re-submit
>
> > > > my patch.
> > >
> > > The artwork for Keramik was actually done by a KDE artist (aka qwertz),
>
> so
>
> > > the 'wave' effect was his decision I believe. If the majority of people
> > > dislike this effect, we can remove it. I have expressed my opinion, now
> > > lets wait for some others.
> >
> > I agree that look is a matter of taste. That's why I posted this patch
> > and
>
> a
>
> > former patch I made for keramik on kde-look.org. This patch received some
> > comments while the former didn't.
> > You can have a look at them on the following links:
> >
> > http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=3371
> > http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=3268
> >
> > Before sending my patch the the list, I've asked some non-techinical
>
> friends
>
> > of mine and to my girlfriend to tell me which effect they prefered and
>
> they
>
> > all picked the flat one. That's the reason why I sent this patch. Though,
> > they might be influenced by the way things are nowadays. I mean that
> > WinXP and MacOSX both have flat toolbars and that might the reason why
> > some
>
> users
>
> > want it in KDE...
> >
> > BTW the first patch I made ("Keramik Old Style Toolbars" in kde-look.org)
>
> was
>
> > not appreciated as much as the new one by the same people.
> >
> > Now, I admit that my poll's audience was quite limited.
> >
> > --
> > Julien Olivier
> >
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