From kde-devel  Mon Oct 07 05:07:56 2002
From: tech () bishop ! dhs ! org
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 05:07:56 +0000
To: kde-devel
Subject: Re: [PATCH] XMLGUIfy kiconedit
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On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 12:45:45AM -0400, ben@meyerhome.net wrote:
> Yah! Glad to see more applications getting converted over that havn't bee=
n.
> 8 months ago or so I converted a dozen or so apps, but know that there are
> more.  Maybe we should start up a KDE-Janitors group to go around and fix
> up old/abandoned kde apps to the new kde technology. Such things as
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> -Making sure all app use XMLUI/KAction stuff
> -Making sure GCC3.2 compiles and fixing any errors
> -Making sure they don't have icons that kde already has
> -Converting all of the current kde games to use the KGamesLib (Or those
> that are left)
> -Making sure they all use the KDEAboutBox
> -Making sure they all use KWidget vs QWidget (KApplication vs QApplication
> for example)
> -Removing any calls and or classes that are outdated with the new ones.
> -Remove any custom QInputDialog etc classes that were made by developers
> who didn't know enough of Qt
> -Removing all C calls for replacemnt Qt calls that exists (use QDateTime!=
!!)
> -Making sure they all use the args class and not their own string parsing
> -Using the built in icon loader, kconfig, library loading etc (i.e. dump
> the custom duplicate code!)
> -Removing X11 calls when not really needed or putting them in ifdefs for a
> possible fb version of kde
> etc, etc
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> I am sure that there are many more things that people can list off the top
> of their heads.  These types of tasks are not the most fun and in many
> cases getting close to grep will make it easier, but it _is_ needed in
> helping to make all of kde more consistant.
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> On the plus side this would be an excellent way for many developers to get
> into helping on the kde project.  They wouldn't have to join one project
> and get to see alot of kde/qt while working on small simple things. And it
> would require not much more then a file in CVS containing the listing of
> current projects and a one or two page website.
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> Feedback?  Good bad idea?
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> -Benjamin Meyer

It's a great idea, and one that I've been doing in my spare time for the
last few months.  I fit your mold almost perfectly, that is, a fairly
newbie developer that wants to learn QT and KDE, but doesn't want to
have to join a specific project and "commit".  So far I've ported KMamerun,=
=20
kfocus, almost all of KDEStudio, and have started work on Lyx (going=20
from QT->KDE).  I find the part that has been holding me back the most=20
is outdated or incomplete documentation.  Specifically, the one tutorial=20
(Rik's) on converting to an XMLgui is fairly useless, if you have=20
anything but StdActions (i.e., almost every app).  I've been personally=20
contacting people to ask them to update it, to include adding icons to=20
non-StdActions, dealing with menubars, selectable items in menus (i.e.,=20
a "checkbox" in a menu), and much more.  So far, no luck :-(  Consider=20
this your personalized invitation, Ben ;-)

For all of you lurkers, who're sitting around wishing you had as much
time, energy, and programming chops as Faure, well, tough luck. He's=20
not really human. *grin* But if you want to embark on the road to
someday being there, I would highly suggest starting out here, in the
trenches, looking over how other people do things, why the KDE-way
changed, what advantages it has, and so on.  I've easily become three
times as knowledgable and "street smart" (vs. book smart) since doing=20
this.  Two thumbs up to this idea.

D.A.Bishop


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