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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: quotation marks
From:       Bryce Nesbitt <bryce () obviously ! com>
Date:       2002-06-12 20:30:53
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Thomas Diehl wrote:

>Am Mittwoch, 12. Juni 2002 13:54 schrieb David Faure:
>
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>
>>>>>Did anyone mention already that it would be great if we had a
>>>>>Windows-like Alt+Numpad mechanism in KDE? ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>    :)   That's not a Windows thing - that's the PC archetecture.  DOS,
>>>>    : CP/M
>>>>
>>>>and Novell all did it too.  So does Linux - as long as you're not in X.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Gosh -- You are right. I've never noticed.
>>>
>>>I doubt, however, that any guru will ever convince me that it is a good
>>>thing we don't have this in X11. Esp. when typing in word processors I
>>>miss this feature every few minutes, sometimes every few seconds. Which
>>>is one of the main reasons I still do a lot of WP work in Windows. Being
>>>able to dig something like a quotation mark out in table 32 of
>>>kcharselect and then copy & paste it is simply not good enough in the
>>>long run. Nor would I want to put everything in autocorrect. (How would
>>>you define that you need a hyphen sometimes and sometimes an en or em
>>>dash? Or sometimes an inch mark and sometimes a typographical quote?)
>>>
>>>If we could only convince a developer to implement this to KDE somehow
>>>...
>>>      
>>>
>>You know that I implemented it in KWord/KPresenter, right? Just try.
>>    
>>
>
>I'll be damned ... Thank you very much!
>
X has two methods of entering exteneded characters.  Dead keys:
        ~a             = ã

And compose keys (/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/iso8859-1/Compose):
        [compose]>>    = »
        [compose]~a    = ã

A third method would not hurt.  I just see this as an X issue, maybe a 
QT issue.  But definitely not a KDE issue, and not a single application 
issue.  IMHO it should work the same way for all applications and 
environments.

>>For any wider usage, it would need to go into the widgets, e.g. QTextEdit,
>>QLineEdit, or their KDE equivalents. So I'd first suggest trying to
>>convince the trolls about it.
>>    
>>
>
>I will certainly send a request about this to the Trolls -- for what it's 
>worth. I think this would be a great thing to have in every Editor (esp. 
>KBabel) and text processing program. We'd need something, however, to 
>indicate the numbers to type on the numpad (as Windows does with their char 
>selection utility). I talked to Bryce Nesbitt about this a while ago. Maybe I 
>should ask him again... ;-)
>
Note that Kcharselect can easily be used by an application.  The app 
brings up Kcharselect, and the user can double-click on characters to 
insert them.

I could also make KCharselect document the Unicode glyph value,
on the assumption that X becomes ready to enter it.  But that's as far 
as KCharselect can really go.  And I can't really hack it into QT 
without the trolls.


 
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