Someone please point the out if any of this is wrong. (see previous post on needing more documentation in KAction, etc) To have a menu that is partially static and partially dynamic ( my example being in my im client there is a menu that lists away messages. Users can add and remove away messages from this list as will is that dynamic part and the static part is an action to add new messages. ) you can not layout this menu using xmlui and KActions. Currently the only way to do it is to make an action (that is a KActionMenu) and fill it in manually within the code of the app. I have been able to come up with 2 ways to get access to a menu and using the ui.rc The first is a call to the guiFactory, which will return a KPopupMenu for example: (KPopupMenu *)guiFactory()->container("away_menu", this); This solution allows you to use the ui.rc file to manage the menu, but doesn't allow you to add/remove KActions to the menu, only normal KPopupMenu stuff. The second is to create a KActionMenu in place of the entire submenu in the ui.rc file and within the code creat all of the KAction's (for that menu) and manually enter them into said KActionMenu. You have control of where the menu goes via the ui.rc file, but not control the placement of the items in the menu in the ui.rc file. From what I can gather when the ui.rc file is parsed it doesn't make KActionMenu's, but in fact just makes KPopupMenu's where a tag is inserted. This is confusing coming from a developer point of view where you would expect the opposite of that (i.e. having a KActionMenu generated that you can access). Personally it took me forever to figure out how to set an icon for a menu because I thought I was suppost to do it in the ActionProperties and not in the Menu tag itself (). It then took me most of today to figure out that KActionMenu's weren't even being used. Am I wrong to think that we should have createGUI() use KActionMenu's and not KPopupMenu's? If this change was made either the createGUI() would dynamicly add KActionMenu's to the actionCollection() or the developer would have to add any KActionMenu's to the actionCollection() before calling createGUI() just as they now add KAction's. If everyone thinks that this is a bad idea we should at least put a note in the KActionMenu stating that it is not what is used by the xmlui for . -Benjamin Meyer P.S. Another thing that I thought of is that unless you have be a KActionMenu there is no way to disable the popupmenu. >> Visit http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub to unsubscribe <<