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List:       kde-debian
Subject:    Re: Packaging effort...
From:       Dominique Devriese <dominique.devriese () student ! kuleuven ! ac ! be>
Date:       2004-04-05 19:04:11
Message-ID: 87zn9qnt5g.fsf () student ! kuleuven ! ac ! be
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Peter Rockai writes:


>> I hope to add qtobjc in the short term, and pykde, pyqt ( hi simon
>> :) ), and korundum and qtruby in the long term ( for KDE 3.3 or
>> 4.0, that is ).
> Even better. Now, this might have issues with existing pyqt packages
> in debian? Also, i heard (unconfirmed) that pykde was being worked
> on by PyQt maintainer... Are you in contact with him regarding this?

No, as this is still pretty long term, Simon Edwars plans to add PyQt
and PyKDE to kdebindings HEAD IIUC, so we're talking about KDE 3.3 or
4.0.  I will contact him in due time.

>> > In my opinion, our policy should be to have our package available
>> > as soon as possible in our repository, and then take the time to
>> > migrate them in debian.
>>
>> I don't understand why this should be our policy.  What is the
>> advantage of not adding stuff to the debian repository directly, if
>> it is easily possible ?
> It is not exactly easily possible. 

Yeah, that's why I said "if".

> There are number of reasons we might want to upload to our
> repository. 

> Just one thing that's next to impossible to do right is to
> re-package stuff already in debian. We can't just hijack a
> package. That's no good and going to produce a lot of ill
> will. 

True, but repackaging something is not often a good idea.

> Also, there are no DD's i know of in kalyxo, getting a
> sponsor's not that easy (and slightly cumbersome) and we can get
> packages into tycho archive quite a bit faster. 

Yes, but I know two DD's who package KDE related packages, and who may
be willing to sponsor a package for me from time to time.  I'm not
sure if they are subscribed to the kde-debian list.

> Also, we might want to do some testing and staging, with the added
> convenience of a central and full-featured archive (instead of lots
> of small personal repos here and there). 

Ack.

> Also, there was a talk of doing some backporting and releasing the
> branch, but that's a pipe dream so far, IMO.

Not sure what you're talking about here...

> OTOH uploading straight to debian has lot of benefits as well, not
> questioning that.

Indeed.  IMHO, the above benefits only hold if certain conditions are
fulfilled ( repackaging something, not being able to get a sponsor,
wanting to do testing etc ), and I would indeed like to upload to the
kalyxo server if any of these conditions are fulfilled, but otherwise,
I think it's more useful to upload to Debian directly, because that
gives more testers to the package, and more people can benefit from
it.

>> > This migration will be only possible thanks to the debian
>> > developers involved in Kalyxo. They'll be able to sponsor/proxy
>> > our Kalyxo package into Debian.
>>
>> Hopefully yes.  I have my NM application pending as well, but this
>> takes an annoyingly long time :(

> Same here. I don't expect gaining DD status in less than 3-4
> months. Maybe not even 6 or more. Hopefully before end of this year
> though :p.

Yeah, the NM process takes way too long imho, but I'm affraid this is
one of those debian things that are difficult to change...

cheers
domi
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