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List:       kde-core-devel
Subject:    Re: Noatun - fix or throw it out
From:       Torsten Rahn <torsten () kde ! org>
Date:       2001-05-19 9:48:15
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Hi Charles,

On Saturday 19 May 2001 09:57, Charles Samuels wrote:
> On Sat, 19 May 2001, Henrik Johnson wrote:
> > up. Thats in both 2.1 and 2.1.1, on two different laptops, both clean
> > installs of Mandrake (Or RedHat in one case).
> How about you not use binaries?

Do you expect _users_ to compile from source? :-)

> How about you *report* bugs, or maybe even fix them?  How much time do I
> look like I have? Could you really do any better? Have you actually used
> kaiman?
>
> Has it also occured to you that you'd get the exact same problems on any
> other media player that uses aRts?  I've _never_ crashed noatun due to
> noatun, in release quality code.  You try to write a media player based on

I have also seen noatun crashing using "release-quality-code" after changing
plugins/themes. I guess this is not an aRts-issue ...  

> a nearly completely untested, very complicated library (aRts), atop of the
> highly incompetent packagers (I honestly believe that redhat should be
> disbanded in favor of a better linux distsribution like LinuxFromScratch
> or Windows2000).  Redhat just plain *forgot* files in some of their
> packages.

I have seen noatun crashing or not starting at all on SuSE, Redhat, Mandrake
(and judging from comments of others it makes no exception on Caldera).
So the problem is obviously not distribution-dependent (or all the packagers
need additional tips how to package noatun correctly).

I appreciate the work you are doing on noatun and as long as it does work
noatun is a very very nice, beautiful and original mediaplayer. But judging 
from people's comments on linux-expos and from own experience there 
still seem to exist quite a lot of issues in KDE 2.1.x (which are not only 
aRts-dependent) concerning it which need to be solved fast for 2.2. 
I can't judge on the current situation in CVS (due to lack of soundcard
and due to the fact that we are still in alpha-stage where things might not 
run too well yet) so maybe I'm talking about things which have already been 
ironed out in the head-branch.

Greetings,
Tackat

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