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List:       kde-core-devel
Subject:    Re: why is there so little KDE PR ?
From:       Torsten Rahn <torsten () kde ! org>
Date:       2001-01-18 14:21:27
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> I also think, as I have explained to Ralf, that tieing KDevelop releases to
> KDE releases is bad for this purpose.  KDevelop is a major app onto itself
> and can generate publicity and interest by its release.  To bundle it
> together with the rest of KDE lessens its impact.  Of course it doesn't
> have to be released far apart -- even 2-3 days is good; it makes KDE look
> more productive, like more is getting done.

I disagree with you. Sorry, but right now our PR is very good IMO.
Oh well, Gnome got more news: But have a look what they are about:

-Ximian raises 15 millions in funding 
Great but that doesn't make their desktop better and doesn't give them a 
business-model either.

-IBM and their involvement with GNOME
Oh well. Judging from the comments on gnotices I'm not the only one who 
thinks that the interviewer expected  that IBM would say to be totally 
committed to Gnome while the interviewed person always had to say that "IBM 
will do what their customers expect them to do.". Sorry but this was a real 
bad interview and it wasn't the fault of the person being interviewed.

-Helix evolves into Ximian
ok, so their name is now Xamian ... who cares? PR-wise it's a worse name.
... it doesn't make the desktop better 

-GNOME + Hollywood = true?
So Miguel's 0.5 sec-appearance makes him a movie-star and he found his true 
passion ... it doesn't make the desktop better 

- Nautilus Bug Day this Monday. Newcomers welcome!
so they have to do it monthly now instead of weekly because nobody cares ...

- Integrating Bonobo and OpenOffice UNO
*yawn* X11-embedding and no GUI-merging. "We have not the resources to drive 
this project as a part of the next OpenOffice release." -- Ok, so reading 
this article closely the message is: "OpenOffice will not be gtk, not 
bonoboized and will very probably not become GnomeOffice."
... it doesn't make the desktop better 

and the result of all these warm-air-news is: they're still far away from 
releasing gnome 1.4 which is a dead-end-release because they will want 
everyone to develop for gnome 2.0 (won't probably be there before 2002) 
afterwards. And all they do right now is talk talk talk without real content. 
I don't think that we need such "news".

Besides that I also disagree that KDevelop should not be part of KDE 2.1.
I think at this point of time it makes very much sense for many different 
reasons. It might lessen the "news-blurb"-impact but it is important for 
strategical reasons to release KDevelop together with KDE 2.1

And  "But there is no reason why Konqueror could not be released more often"
is absolute nonsense as Konqueror *is* KDE2, as it is "just" a set of 
components representing the functionality of kdelibs. I doubt that it would 
make sense to release konqueror independent w/o kdelibs.

KDE2.1 will be ready 4 months after KDe 2.0. This is a very good cycle if we 
can keep it for future releases. If we would release every app independent 
then we would probably not see as much progress as we see it now as people 
would make their own more relaxed schedules and wouldn't try to get into the 
timeframe that is also being made by other apps.

I think we had a lot of real news (while other desktops didn't) which were 
giving the impression that KDE currently actually develops very quickly now 
and doesn't only consist of hype ....

> Particularly too KOffice should definitely be on its own cycle, IMHO.

I agree with that one for KDE 2.1 but it might make sense for KDE 2.2 to ship 
it together -- we'll see.

I like what I see on dot.kde.org and I always enjoy Tinks interviews very 
much, and the same goes for apps.kde.com. If the PR-guys think that they even 
can improve our PR - then it is fine for me but it should stay real news and 
not evolve into some warm air.

Greetings,
Tackat




 

Greetings,
Tackat



> Rgards,
>
> Andreas
>
> Martijn Klingens wrote:
> > On Thursday 18 January 2001 14:01, aleXXX wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > everytime I look around on the net I find many more news about GNOME
> > > related stuff than about ours. One example: on www.lwn.net there is
> > > almost every week something about a new version of Galeon in the
> > > "Browsers" section, Konqy *never* appeared there until now. :-(
> > > Is it possible that a cause might be that we release always complete
> > > packages (kdebase, kdenetwork,...) so that the single apps are not so
> > > well honoured by our users ?
> >
> > That may very well be possible. We only have big new every few months
> > when a new KDE version comes out. Maybe a little more often if you count
> > the beta's, but that's about it.
> > It's not a design decision to ship the entire system and not single
> > packages, as there are some (like KMail with imap) that will be released
> > independently, but most apps have no separate releases.
> >
> > Now that KDE is growing bigger and bigger it may be worthwhile to release
> > only kdebase and kdelibs as packages and release any other apps as
> > separate _SINGLE_ apps and whenever _THEY_ feel it's right.
> >
> > But I guess this last remark will only get me major flames though.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Martijn

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