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List:       kde-core-devel
Subject:    Re: Proposal: Icons in KDE 2
From:       Torsten Rahn <torsten () kde ! org>
Date:       2000-03-02 13:59:52
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David Faure wrote:

> (BTW the buttons are in German!)

Ooops -- I'll change that!

> If you apply an effect, what happens ? The icon is modified
> on the harddisk ? Or the effect is applied automagically each
> time the icon is used ?

The icon will be modified on the screen only!
If you should still use netscape or the internet-exploder 
(I doubt both ...) you can see that the toolbar-icons change 
while you move your pointer over the toolbar-buttons. The 
Effects-dialog makes this thing configurable.

> I understand that this module is about applying different effects
> depending on the use of the icon, right ? You shouldn't call
> them "types of icons" - we have a lot more types of icons.
> These are rather the use of the icons, if I understand it well.

Yes, I'll change that to "Use of icons" -- would that be ok?

> A comment about main tool bar : why let the user choose it ?

most important answer: if you use a small screen you really don't 
want to use big main-toolbar-icons! You want all of your icons 
to be 16x16!
Besides that: different users have different thoughts about 
which icons should be most important. So every toolbar should
be able to go into main-toolbar-mode.

> About themes :
> "then KDE should remove all icons which have been added by the user."
> Why ? Isn't that dangerous ? Deleting user's files ?

Well if you want to get rid of a theme on your harddisk ... what should
it do in your opinion then?
 
> "During the startup KDE has to find out wether the ColorDepth being used
> by the X-Server is 8 bit"
> Did you notice that I patched kiconloader and kiconloaderdialog to do that ?
> On 8bit display, they only look in locolor, not in hicolor nor the medium
> one whatever it's called - hence Simon's bug report about the spinning
> wheel, recently. But I agree, having a checkbox for this would be nice.

ok.
 
> Last but not least, my main concern is the icon chooser, and it
> seems that part needs a bit more thoughts...
> If this new scheme makes it impossible to have a decent icon chooser
> (like the current situation, BTW), then there is a major problem.

I think the proposed one is much better concerning usability
(I have updated the files since my last mail):
It hides the complex structure of the iconlibrary while giving him 
the full power to choose every icon he wants.

> doesn't have anything to do with any directory. We want
> all types of icons (mimetypes, apps, devices,...) merged in a single
> view, I think.

KDE 1 showed that you will end up with a large
directory including hundreds of files. KDE 2 will have even more icons! 
Remember: device- and filesystem- and mimetype- icons are about 
70 icons IIRC so you will probably get lost if you hunt for an
application-icon 
in that one big blooated directory. So one directory is not a good 
idea imo -- but perhaps there are other solutions?

Greetings,

Torsten

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