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Subject: Re: Moving Baloo and Baloo-widgets into KDE SC
From: Todd <toddrjen () gmail ! com>
Date: 2014-01-21 11:34:52
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On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Mario Fux KDE ML <kde-ml@unormal.org>wrot=
e:
> Am Donnerstag, 09. Januar 2014, 23.26:01 schrieb =C0lex Fiestas:
>
> Morning Alex
>
> > On Thursday 09 January 2014 21:52:52 Christoph Feck wrote:
> > > But if the above scenario does not work, we should probably not
> > > introduce Baloo for KDE SC 4.x.
> >
> > I have to disagree here.
>
> And I'm probably disagree with you but let me explain below.
>
> > We can't keep playing this conservative when we have things that are in
> the
> > Nepomuk situation. If it is the most hated piece of software we have is
> not
> > by chance.
> >
> > If the breakage is minimal (which I know it is, but I will let vHanda
> reply
> > to that) I vote to replace it even if we make a bit worse the experienc=
e
> > using some weird application that nobody has heard of.
>
> The release schedule for 4.13 is really short (4 month). With the feature
> freeze in approx. 1.5 months, see [1].
>
> As 4.13 will be one of our last release in the 4 era I think we should be
> quite sure that we don't break anything or even more to be 110% sure to
> have
> fallbacks, migration, APIs for Nepomuk apps to access Baloo data etc.
>
> And even though I know that Vishesh is doing a great and a hell of a job
> I'm
> not too sure if one single person can manage all of this (not just the
> implementation but I think it needs a lot of testing as well).
>
> IIRC it's still not clear for all the current Nepomuk apps if they work
> after
> 4.13. Let's try to list them again.
>
> - Amarok (got Nepomuk support with 2.7, will it work after 4.13?
> - Digikam (gets new Nepomuk with 4.0.0 due in May or so. Will it work)?
> - Dolphin
> - Gwenview
> - Conquiere
> - KPhotoalbum
> - Kamoso (seems so be ready in time)
> - Kdenlive (out of the most popular KDE apps, with some man power problem=
s
> atm, ok, but nonetheless)
> - Nepomuk-webminer and Nepomuktvnamer
> - Plasma Active/Plasma mobile with Share-Like-Connect
>
From what I read on the baloo page, it seems likes baloo accesses various
databases. If that is the case, instead of a bridge that copies metadata
back and forth like in nepomuk, would it be possible for programs like
Digikam and Amarok to allow baloo to access their databases directly?
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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 \
at 11:02 AM, Mario Fux KDE ML <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kde-ml@unormal.org" \
target="_blank">kde-ml@unormal.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex">Am Donnerstag, 09. Januar 2014, 23.26:01 schrieb Àlex \
Fiestas:<br> <br>
Morning Alex<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> On Thursday 09 January 2014 21:52:52 Christoph Feck wrote:<br>
> > But if the above scenario does not work, we should probably not<br>
> > introduce Baloo for KDE SC 4.x.<br>
><br>
> I have to disagree here.<br>
<br>
</div>And I'm probably disagree with you but let me explain below.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> We can't keep playing this conservative when we have things that are in \
the<br> > Nepomuk situation. If it is the most hated piece of software we have is \
not<br> > by chance.<br>
><br>
> If the breakage is minimal (which I know it is, but I will let vHanda reply<br>
> to that) I vote to replace it even if we make a bit worse the experience<br>
> using some weird application that nobody has heard of.<br>
<br>
</div>The release schedule for 4.13 is really short (4 month). With the feature<br>
freeze in approx. 1.5 months, see [1].<br>
<br>
As 4.13 will be one of our last release in the 4 era I think we should be<br>
quite sure that we don't break anything or even more to be 110% sure to have<br>
fallbacks, migration, APIs for Nepomuk apps to access Baloo data etc.<br>
<br>
And even though I know that Vishesh is doing a great and a hell of a job I'm<br>
not too sure if one single person can manage all of this (not just the<br>
implementation but I think it needs a lot of testing as well).<br>
<br>
IIRC it's still not clear for all the current Nepomuk apps if they work after<br>
4.13. Let's try to list them again.<br>
<br>
- Amarok (got Nepomuk support with 2.7, will it work after 4.13?<br>
- Digikam (gets new Nepomuk with 4.0.0 due in May or so. Will it work)?<br>
- Dolphin<br>
- Gwenview<br>
- Conquiere<br>
- KPhotoalbum<br>
- Kamoso (seems so be ready in time)<br>
- Kdenlive (out of the most popular KDE apps, with some man power problems<br>
atm, ok, but nonetheless)<br>
- Nepomuk-webminer and Nepomuktvnamer<br>
- Plasma Active/Plasma mobile with \
Share-Like-Connect<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>From what I read on the baloo \
page, it seems likes baloo accesses various databases. If that is the case, instead \
of a bridge that copies metadata back and forth like in nepomuk, would it be possible \
for programs like Digikam and Amarok to allow baloo to access their databases \
directly? <br>
</div></div><br></div></div>
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