From kde-core-devel Sun Nov 03 18:49:52 2013 From: henry miller Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 18:49:52 +0000 To: kde-core-devel Subject: Re: Adopting AppData in KDE? Message-Id: X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=138355844402135 MIME-Version: 1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------4U7AV7SQRKLZ3QADH70TW4LXC2SO81" ------4U7AV7SQRKLZ3QADH70TW4LXC2SO81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Richard Hughes wrote: > >Please don't portray me as a modern-day highwayman as I'm really just >trying to build an awesome application installer for GNOME. It's two >orders of magnitude harder to actually write a shared standard and ask >other desktops to adopt it (making changes as required) rather than a >quick hack that just works with one desktop on one distribution. Let me rewritte the above into a FAQ format: Q: Why does KDE not ship appdata files A: the maintainers of appdata have admited they have no interest in standards, thus KDE has no formal ability to get things we need changed. In addition while appdata claims to be distribution/gnome, it really is a Fedora thing and few other distribution packages use it, thus violating KDEs no patches for on distribution only. Is appdata good or bad? I say bad, not on technial grounds, but social: the effort to standardise something that should be standardised was not done. It meets Fedoras needs, but what about debian? What about netbed. What about... Yes standardization is a lot of effort, that is because getting a good compromise for everyone is hard. KDE should in my opinion refuse appdata in hopes that the next time someone has a great idea they remember appdata failed (or took too long to catch on) because it failed presue standardization early. If someone has a better idea how to stop developers from this anti-social behavor I'm open to it so I can consider appdata on technial merits like it should be. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ------4U7AV7SQRKLZ3QADH70TW4LXC2SO81 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Richard Hughes <hughsient@gmail.com> wrote:
On 3 November 2013 14:04, Felix Rohrbach <fxrh@gmx.de> wrote:
"Nice application you have there, would be a shame if something would...
happen to it."

Not at all. If something as important as Krita didn't ship an AppData
file in Fedora 22, we'd just write one ourselves and put it in the
Fedora srpm file. I've written ~80 AppData files myself and sent
nearly all of them upstream already. I've now got a few volunteers
doing the same thing to all manner of upstreams.

Imho it's a matter of respect to discuss a standard beforehand with a
community. And this threat to exclude apps, well...

Please don't portray me as a modern-day highwayman as I'
 m
really just
trying to build an awesome application installer for GNOME. It's two
orders of magnitude harder to actually write a shared standard and ask
other desktops to adopt it (making changes as required) rather than a
quick hack that just works with one desktop on one distribution.

Richard

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