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Subject:    Re: RFC: i18n: drop KUIT tags in KDE Frameworks 5.0?
From:       Albert Astals Cid <aacid () kde ! org>
Date:       2012-03-24 15:10:56
Message-ID: 3277248.6i63Yr3g9I () xps
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El Dissabte, 24 de març de 2012, a les 08:50:39, Thomas Zander va escriure:
> On Saturday 24 March 2012 00.14.03 Alex Fiestas wrote:
> > On Friday, March 23, 2012 08:12:53 PM Thomas Zander wrote:
> > > Read those numbers again; its kinda depressing really;
> > 
> > I don't have numbers but almost nobody is taking "close care" of
> > accessibility when developing applications, should be removed it? no we do
> > not.
> 
> The difference here is that there is a way to get consistent look and feel
> without using this feature.  

How?

> Whereas with a11y there is not.
> Specifically; of the 24 tags how many can you get people to care about the
> look and feel sufficiently to make a difference. 

None, because the bunch of geek developers [mostly] don't care about look and 
feel, that's why we need to expand how community to people that care about 
polish.

> If history is any guide,
> just some, and just a little bit.
> 
> > I think that this feature, as Albert said is something that we should
> > promote and try to get people to use them.
> 
> This defending of "Dont take my feature away, I promise to use it from not
> on" just sounds hollow to me.

That's nonsense, i'm not defending "my feature" since I as a geek don't care 
about look and feel and I've never used this feature, but i recognise the fact 
that we *should* be caring about it and finding someone in the greater 
community to make sure how messaging to the user is consistent.

Albert

> In reality it will be really hard to actually show significant improvements
> in message display to a user over plain html usage, it certainly is
> infinitely harder to learn.
> 
> For reference; how many of these are really showing something different on
> screen that app-developers care about?
> http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Localization/i18n_Semantics#Se
> mantic_Tags
> 
> In short; the deck is stacked against you, and short of proposing to do the
> work, I hope you can take the last 4 years as a guide to how big an uptake
> things got.
> I personally think we should not tell Chusslove to back out of his plan just
> because we *hope* some people other than us will start using this feature.
> > What we can do thuough is break compatibility and implement them in some
> > other way since their usage is so low.
> 
> Good point.
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