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On Tuesday 11 October 2011 20:12:39 Torgny Nyblom wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 October 2011 19.52.36 Martin Gr=C3=A4=C3=9Flin wrote:
> > On Tuesday 11 October 2011 18:02:32 Torgny Nyblom wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 11 October 2011 15.55.15 you wrote:
> > > > Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:33:39 +0200
> > > >=20
> > > > schrieb Torgny Nyblom <nyblom@kde.org>:
> > > > > Does this mean that I will be focred to use a screensaver wit=
h
> > > > > password unlock? If so why is that not a vaild usecase? It's =
what I
> > > > > use at home all the time.
> > > >=20
> > > > "Why that?"
> > > >=20
> > > > xdpms saves you power (and screen, if that would be any necessa=
ry) and
> > > > neither the last generation of CRTs nor any consumer quality tf=
t
> > > > "burns
> > > > in" - the only trouble makers would be plasma (sic! ;-) TVs whi=
ch
> > > > still
> > > > suck so much power that you should really turn them off while t=
hey're
> > > > not in use.
> > > >=20
> > > > Locking the screen is a valid requirement, but just rendering s=
ome
> > > > fancy stuff (while you're not there anyway) is pointless energy=
 (what
> > > > today often means "battery") wasting.
> > >=20
> > > By this argument the entire screensaver and all effects should go=
 not
> > > just
> > > the lockless screensaver.
> >=20
> > Sorry, but "effects" are not about "bling" but about improving the =
user
> > experience. Or do you consider present windows being bling?
>=20
> I consider most effects being "bling" yes, with that said I like it a=
nd
> appreciate it but still most effects add no real productive value.
<offtopic>I have to disagree. By default we ship no effect which is "bl=
ing"=20
only. They all add productive value. Even something like a fade effect =
is a=20
productive value and not bling as it makes the system a more natural th=
ing to=20
use.</offtopic>
>=20
> > > In my oppinion the screensaver mode is a separate usecase then th=
e
> > > locked
> > > screen one. Screensaver is bling only, where as the lock is for w=
hen you
> > > leave the computer in an untrusted environment and this should be=
 active
> > > from when I leave, not after x min.
> >=20
> > Yes screen saver/animation and screen locker are completely differe=
nt
> > things. That is exactly what this is about. I worked on a new scree=
n
> > locker
> > which separates the animation and the locker. Therefore as I wrote =
having
> > just an animation is a non-valid use case for the locker.
>=20
> But you also said that the screensaver without locking was going away=
 in
> 4.9. This is what I'm against.
As Thomas wrote you will always be able to run any animations you want.=
 What=20
will go away is the support for xscreensavers when the screen is locked=
. But=20
we will make it possible to integrate QML based screensavers into the s=
creen=20
locker.

Cheers
Martin
>=20
> I fully agree that the locker is and should be separated from the ani=
mation.
>=20
> /Regards
> Torgny

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