From kde-core-devel Tue Jul 26 11:26:03 2011 From: Mark Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:26:03 +0000 To: kde-core-devel Subject: Re: Formal complaint concerning the use of the name "System Settings" Message-Id: X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=131167964101347 On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:32 PM, David Jarvie wrote: > On Mon, July 25, 2011 8:08 pm, Nicolas Alvarez wrote: >> David Jarvie wrote: >>> On Mon, July 25, 2011 12:50 pm, Ambroz Bizjak wrote: >>>> Hi Mark, >>>> have you seen my proposed improvement on your suggestion? >>>> >>>> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=131149560119520&w=2 >>>> >>>> I suggest that you consider it, because it would avoid having to >>>> update the Freedesktop specification and any DE that doesn't name its >>>> programs differently in other DEs (e.g. Xfce). >>> >>> This proposal has the same drawbacks as Mark's - it is aimed at >>> knowledgeable users, not the ordinary user who may not be aware of which >>> desktop a particular application is from. See >>> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=131159889604990&w=2. >> >> So what is *your* proposed solution? >> >> As you say, the long term solution is to have setting interoperability. >> The >> key words there are "long term". We can't do that *now*, before the new >> KDE >> release and before the new GNOME release. We need a solution *now* to >> avoid >> having two entries with the exact same name in the application list. >> >> Mark and Ambroz's solutions have the advantage of not requiring months of >> collaboration and programming, which would be needed for setting >> interoperability. > > I don't object to Mark's proposal as a short term solution - it's better > than having two identically named applications. I'm just concerned that it > isn't ideal from the ordinary user's perspective, and that it should be > recognised as being an interim fix. > > The longer term aim should of course be to share as many as possible of > the settings between desktops and therefore make them accessible from both > Gnome and KDE System Settings applications. KCMs should be categorised > according to whether or not they contain settings which are not shared > between desktops, and applications using unshared settings should as a > matter of policy be expected to provide direct access to the relevant > KCMs, thus avoiding the need for the user to find and run the 'other' > System Settings. > > -- > David Jarvie. > KDE developer. > KAlarm author - http://www.astrojar.org.uk/kalarm > > In my opinion there should be a cross desktop system settings application where the KDE implementation can use KCM and the gnome implementation uses whatever they want to use. That would be the ideal solution imho.