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List:       kde-core-devel
Subject:    Re: Formal complaint concerning the use of the name "System Settings"
From:       Mark <markg85 () gmail ! com>
Date:       2011-07-26 7:54:16
Message-ID: CAPd6JnEQau-zkh-Bt1XBAjqkPzwx2chBraamkWxk3j5cSv6J2Q () mail ! gmail ! com
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Ambroz Bizjak <ambrop7@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> 
> The localization stuff you're concerned about is happening below the
> desktop file layer (in KDE's case, kconfigdata.h), and should work
> automatically, i.e. if you ask for some key it will automatically give
> you a localized version if available.
> Also, DE-specific desktop file keys would be a good thing to have in
> general, so I hope people do not oppose the idea just because it's not
> the ideal solution to this particular problem. Besides, it's (I think)
> very easy to implement, so even if we don't manage to push it, it
> wouldn't be that much time lost :) . I've done many enhancements to
> open-source projects, and many of them weren't liked by the developers
> - but I still think I did the right thing, and I'm not afraid of
> contributing for the fear of being opposed.
> 
> Regards,
> Ambroz
> 
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Mark <markg85@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Ambroz Bizjak <ambrop7@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Mark,
> > > I've done some small research on what components would have to be
> > > updated for the desktop-specific-names solution. I think that would
> > > be:
> > > 
> > > - The Desktop Entry Specification,
> > > http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/
> > > - KDE's KDesktopFile,
> > > https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdelibs/repository/revisions/master/changes/kdecore/config/kdesktopfile.cpp
> > >                 
> > > - Xfce's libxfce4menu, in particular
> > > http://git.xfce.org/xfce/libxfce4menu/tree/libxfce4menu/xfce-menu-item.c
> > > - Gnome's libgnome-menu, in particular
> > > http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-menus/trunk/libmenu/desktop-entries.c
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Ambroz
> > > 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Thanx for the list. I already found the spec and kde file.
> > One thing i can't find though is the part that makes multilanguage
> > stuff for desktop files working.. Those 3 source files all just grab
> > the Name value but where does it do the magic that happens when i set
> > my language to dutch.. then it grabs Name[nl] but where does it do
> > that? Asking that since the properties i proposed should have multi
> > language suppert as well..
> > 
> > And besides that.. I do want to implement it, but i'm getting the
> > feeling there isn't that much support for it thus wasting my time if i
> > implement it since it won't get accepted anyway. (which i rather
> > avoid).
> > 
> > It's just a feeling and i hope i'm wrong...
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Mark
> > 
> 

You are completely right.

However one small question.. In KDE you have a readName function that
reads the Name value from the desktop file. But how should that behave
if a desktop file has the following and is read from a KDE
environment:

NativeDE=Gnome
NameNonNative=Gnome System Settings

Would the readName property then return the NameNonNative value if
it's read from a KDE environment..?
That would seem the most easy solution but a bit dirty as well -- only
seems nice if the spec would specifically say that the Name property
is overwritten by NameNonNative if the NativeDE property is set and
different from the currently used DE.


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