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Subject: Re: KDM plans and lightDM
From: Nuno Pinheiro <nuno.pinheiro () kdab ! com>
Date: 2011-06-15 16:39:55
Message-ID: 201106151739.56345.nuno.pinheiro () kdab ! com
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A Quarta, 15 de Junho de 2011 17:11:27 Martin Gräßlin você escreveu:
> On Wednesday 15 June 2011 17:46:08 Alex Fiestas wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 15, 2011 05:37:14 PM todd rme wrote:
> > > There are apparently people willing to implement KDE support in
> > > LightDM, so why don't they instead improve KDM? Why should they be
> > > putting their effort into an immature project instead of a mature one?
> >
> > Because they're motivated to work on LightDM and not in KDM, new is
> > always attractive.
>
> Of course everybody is free to spend his time on whatever he wants. But I
> consider this as kind of a pity given that it looks like
> a) GNOME won't accept lightDM
> b) KDE Plasma won't accept lightDM
>
> which renders lightDM to be used only by Ubuntu and not even by Kubuntu if
> they stick to their "we ship what upstream ships".
>
> I think it would be pretty sad if the workspace community would become
> split due to such issues.
>
> And just as something to remind: there was a time when Lubos seriously
> thought about dropping KWin in favor of Compiz, because it was the new
> cool kid on the block. Look at what we have today and where Compiz is
> today (including their history). Would that have been a wise decision to
> drop KWin? Not always is cool and new better than old, stable and feature
> rich.
+++++1
> Cheers
> Martin
--
Nuno Pinheiro | nuno.pinheiro@kdab.com | UI Designer
Klarälvdalens Datakonsult AB, a KDAB Group company
KDAB - Qt Experts - Platform-independent software solutions
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> always attractive.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
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margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Of course everybody is free to spend his time on \
whatever he wants. But I</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> consider this as \
kind of a pity given that it looks like</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> \
a) GNOME won't accept lightDM</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> \
b) KDE Plasma won't accept lightDM</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
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</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> which renders lightDM to be used \
only by Ubuntu and not even by Kubuntu if</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> \
they stick to their "we ship what upstream ships".</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> I think it would \
be pretty sad if the workspace community would become</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> split due to such issues.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> And just as \
something to remind: there was a time when Lubos seriously</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> thought about dropping KWin in favor of Compiz, because it was the \
new</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> cool kid on the block. Look at \
what we have today and where Compiz is</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> \
today (including their history). Would that have been a wise decision to</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> drop KWin? Not always is cool and new better than old, \
stable and feature</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> rich.</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p> <p style=" \
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text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">+++++1</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> \
</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Cheers</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Martin</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; \
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text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- \
</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Nuno Pinheiro | nuno.pinheiro@kdab.com \
| UI Designer </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Klarälvdalens \
Datakonsult AB, a KDAB Group company</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">KDAB \
- Qt Experts - Platform-independent software solutions</p></body></html>
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