A Dissabte, 30 d'octubre de 2010, Luciano Montanaro va escriure:
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Albert Astals Cid <aacid@kde.org> wrote:
> >> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Cornelius Schumacher <
> >> schumacher@kde.org > wrote:
> >> 
> >> On Thursday 28 October 2010 John Layt wrote:
> >> > Big questions. Anyone with big answers? :-)
> >> 
> >> Here is a big answer:
> >  > Let's merge Qt and the KDE development platform. Let's put all KDE
> > 
> > Just for those that have short memories let me explain what happened.
> > 
> > We killed our printing stack because we were "promised" that QPrinter
> > would be maintained and better than KPrinter was. And years later,
> > QPrinter is unmaintained and provides less features KPrinter delivered
> > much more years ago.
> 
> I remeber that, and indeed printing is a sore point. What did go wrong
> exactly?

Qt not doing what they promised and us being to naive

> What do you think would be needed to make some progress in
> upstreaming/collaborating with Qt?

Qt being a real opensource project, some examples to what i think this means:
 * Open up all the decision making process, that is no top-down decisions
 * Anyone with enough merits has commit access to the repo
 * Nokia does not ask for a full license to do wathever they want with the 
code

Hint: Some of these reasons are what made people create LibreOffice from 
OpenOffice

Once this happens we can start speaking, anything we do now is wasting our 
time.

And i tell you, i'd like to be proven wrong, i'd pay to be proven wrong, but i 
don't see any of the three items above happening soon.

> 
> In the spirit of brainstorming, here is my brain dump:
> 
> I think part of the problem is complete independent solutions have
> been set up for Qt, disregarding existing KDE technologies. This has
> brought out things like QPrinter or QMultimedia. But in case part of
> kdelibs goes to a Qt module that does not mean current maintainer can
> find a new hobby - they should stay in charge.

That means he has the decision power, which as of now is totally impossible 
since he can't even commit.

> Hell, we have friends
> working there, we have to find a way to help them help us! :)

Friends paid to work there, and like anyone of us at work, we do what bosses 
want not what we want.

Albert

> 
> > Albert