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On October 3, 2009, Dar=C3=ADo Andr=C3=A9s wrote:
> > i'm not saying it couldn't be better, but let's be sure it gets done
> > better instead of trying and running the risk of probably ending up with
> > another not- great arrangement.
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> That's why we are discussing it here, to come up with something
> better, which should be easy and discoverable.

kde-core-devel is not a good place to find out how average computer users=20
perceive hierarchies of data that reflect the technical details of the syst=
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it's probably one of the worst, actually, because it is populated by deeply=
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advanced users who know all the details from the inside.

> If it is done properly, it should help us to get something better; and

i don't actually share the same confidence :)

> the "relearning" process should not hurt at all.

it does hurt. every time we change this structure, we cause problems for=20
users. we hear about it. and it's the kind of problems that are really hard=
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justify. it doesn't really provide any new advantage to these people, it ju=
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discards their hard earned knowledge and exchanges it for another arcane se=
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of hierarchical modules.

(and yes, search is a far better approach here :)
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> > "Plasma Containments" is two jargon words put together. we should not be
> > using jargon _anywhere_ in our UIs that the average user is meant to go
> > through. in this case the name should be "Desktop Activities". it's a
> > moot point in thi case, though, as this panel doesn't belong there at a=
ll
> > (unless it's something other than what the name suggests?)
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> Agreed. (I never liked "Plasma Containments", but it was the first
> name that come to my mind to describe it, sorry about that)

what settings does this panel contain?
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> > what's the difference between "Connections Manager" and "Connection
> > Settings"? what "Resources" are being "shared"?
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> "Connections Manager" is just a dummy group for NetworkManager/WiCD ,
> as I don't have such KCM I don't know how to group them nor name them
> properly.
> "Connections Settings" is the former "Network Settings" , proxy and
> other connection preferences, timeouts and so on. Ben pointed that it
> would make sense to merge this into "Connections Manager"..

probably; use testing would help us with that.

> "Resource sharing" should be "File sharing"

probably a bit better; user testing would help us with that.
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> > is "Multimedia" really hardware?
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> "Multimedia" includes the Phonon KCM which is about configuring audio
> and video output and settings, that kind includes hardware
> configurations ("to which speaker should X category sounds be
> played..."). but it is not strictly about hardware.. Where would you
> put it.. ? could it fit on "Workspace"?

i don't think so as it isn't exclusive to the workspace. my point here was=
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that it's ambiguous, and so we really need to test this on actual people.
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> > would it make more sense to have Workspace / Applications / System
> > instead of Personal / W & A Behaviour / Hardware?
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> Yes, as I said before it would make sense. The problem could appear
> when defining which settings is from Applications, which one is from
> Workspace and which one could be related to both.
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> About the last category, are you suggesting to merge "Hardware" +
> "System Administration" ?

perhaps; it would require user testing. :)
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> > i really think this needs to be done with a greater amount of usability
> > input and principles applied and with subsequent rounds of testing.
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> Agreed. Should we redirect this to kde-usability ?

yes and no. yes in that kde-usability is the right area, and no in that we=
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really shouldn't be discussing this on a KDE mailing list, we should be=20
testing people.

these kinds of tests are actually pretty easy to do compared to other kinds=
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usability research. we could each go out and test 3-5 people and have a gre=
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sampling. Celeste could help set up some of the parameters. i think card=20
sorting would be perfect here.
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Aaron J. Seigo
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