From kde-core-devel Sat Oct 03 13:37:45 2009 From: =?ISO-8859-1?B?RGFy7W8gQW5kculz?= Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:37:45 +0000 To: kde-core-devel Subject: Re: RFC: System Settings categorisation overhaul Message-Id: X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=125457710004786 Well... we are going to discuss this a little further.... I think the boundary "Look" - "Behavior" is not really properly defined. -------- Martin said: So perhaps spliting the category "Workspace and Application behaviour" into "Workspace behaviour" and "Application behaviour". Then we could move screen edges, desktop effects, etc. into this group directly as toplevels. -- Another difficult task for us was to not have too much "top level categories" as it will not allow to see all the settings in SS without scrolling the first time. Also, we are looking forward a "widescreen" layout (not too much top level categories, with a lot of subitems in each one), that way some "SS too tall" problems could be fixed, and it is also the way we are moving (netbook). Besides that I think it looks better that way (otherwise it would feel "too empty" and "unbalanced") -------- I agree on changing some of the names to something less technical and more discoverable/user-friendly: "Plasma Containments" surely needs a new name (besides that it also includes other settings not directly related to containments). It could be named "Plasma" or "Plasma Desktop". May be some day more Plasma settings can be added in a "Plasma" category... "Semantic Search" -> "Desktop Search" . I think that is OK "PIM Resources".... "Personal Accounts" is a bit mix of concepts IMHO, because you already have some other information from your personal account in that computer(user login, password, other data). We need a "friendly name" for "PIM" to use. Moving "AudioCd" and "CDDB" to "Multimedia" would make sense (never though of that) "International" -> "Locale" it makes sense but another subitem is named "Locale" too... one of those two should be renamed. "K3BSetup" could be moved to the new category "Others"/Legacy, or just System Administration.. "User Session" is named that way because it contains "session settings" (session management(ksmserver), kde services, autostart apps and scripts...)... How would you name it and where would you put them ? "Optical Drives" to merge into -> "Removable Devices" . Using the concept to describe those, "a CD media" is not a "device" but a "media"/"storage" ... the same way a "CD/DVD read-write drive" is not "Removable". So if we are going to merge those two we need to came with a better name for the whole item... "Removable Storage" would fit it.... (too bad "Camera" is also there..., may be we could extract it...) Besides that, we already moved out all the modules inside "Optical Drives" (see above), so this may not be necessary at all. Marco said: -about me is maybe even more descriptive than account management Currently "Account Management" includes also "Password Management (kwallet)"... I think "About me" doesn't include password management. If we are going to use that name we need to extract "Password Management" out. --- Renaming the category "Personal" to "Personal and Appearance" makes sense. (I like it too) -- The "settings" word should not be used in any item or subitem.. being at SystemSettings already means all the things over there are settings... ------------- And now the big deal: "Workspace" I agree about that concept including Plasma+KWin, those components describe the KDE Workspace properly. I used that definition to split up "Applications Look" and "Desktop Look" (according to that logic, the "Applications Look" are used on every KDE app even if you are running another "Desktop/Workspace" (ex. KDE4 apps in GNOME); while "Desktop Look" is only applied if you are running a full KDE session, including its desktop (Plasma) and its WM(KWin))). I also see the great efforts from both Plasma and KWin side into bringing some integration. As Ben said, the word "Workspace" is a bit "generic"; however I don't really know which one to use. May be some complete name like "KDE Desktop and Workspace" would make sense, however that would include both "look" and "behavior" (and we are again in that problem). Besides that, this "Workspace" item will have too much subitems in its "sidebar"; and we are trying to avoid that to reduce scrolling. Too bad some settings belong to both worlds... and can't be "splitted" properly. Having a "Personal, Appearance and Behavior" category with all the items on it will be too much I think.............. ----- This task will be hard, we need to check all the .desktop files and modify them. We also need to split some modules in two (extracting code); even from "ancient KCMs"(unmaintained since years).. that will not be easy; but it deserves that work from my PoV. ------ Thank you very much for all the people proposing ideas and discussing this. Sorry about this massive post, but the original thread had too much feedback in no time and it would be a problem to reply everyone in a separate mail; besides that, a lot of ideas were shared by different people. Have a nice weekend. Regards. Darío KDE Bugsquad, DrKonqi2