From kde-core-devel  Thu Sep 03 13:44:27 2009
From: John Tapsell <johnflux () gmail ! com>
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:44:27 +0000
To: kde-core-devel
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Detecting notification popup server capabilities
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2009/9/3 Aurélien Gâteau <aurelien.gateau@canonical.com>:
> Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
>>
>> On September 2, 2009, Aurélien Gâteau wrote:
>>>
>>> Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> As Olivier said,
>>>>> developers should not assume that actions are always displayed, since
>>>>> most knotify notification plugins do not support them.
>>>>
>>>> "most" as in "numerically greatest". our primary target environment does
>>>> support them, however.
>>>
>>> I am not sure what you are talking about. I was referring to the
>>> execute, ktts, logfile, sound, and taskbar plugins.
>>
>> ah, the various outputs. well ... yes. those outputs are not meant to be
>> used for user interaction (obviously :), but that does not mean user
>> interaction is not useful just because they exist.
>
> Sure, it just means developers should not assume actions are always
> presented to the user.
>
>>>> and the only cases i can think of that really *require* such actions be
>>>> visible only run in the KDE Workspace (e.g. KDE's power management
>>>> infrastructure).
>>>>
>>>>> Do you think this patch could be upstreamed?
>>>>
>>>> imho, no.
>>>
>>> Too bad, we will have to keep it Kubuntu specific then. We really need
>>> this to avoid a bad user experience when running KDE applications on
>>> GNOME + notify-osd.
>>
>> what is breaking, exactly? doesn't notify-osd just ignore the actions?
>
> Unfortunately not: from what I understand (I was not there yet when it was
> designed) some applications really relied on the notification actions (this
> is probably more important on the GNOME side, because the only notification
> output available was notification bubbles, so actions were always there).
>
> Lots of applications have been patched to detect support for actions and
> behave otherwise if it is not there, but to avoid regressions in
> applications Ubuntu developers would not be able to patch, it was decided
> that while notify-osd would announce it does not support actions, if a
> notification with action is sent to it, it displays an (ugly) dialog instead
> of a bubble. It also does the same if the notification is permanent.


Okay, so shouldn't notify-osd be fixed?

John