From kde-core-devel  Fri Aug 28 18:52:47 2009
From: "Aaron J. Seigo" <aseigo () kde ! org>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:52:47 +0000
To: kde-core-devel
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Detecting notification popup server capabilities
Message-Id: <200908281252.47533.aseigo () kde ! org>
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On August 28, 2009, Aur=C3=A9lien G=C3=A2teau wrote:
> Sebastian Tr=C3=BCg a =C3=A9crit :
> > sounds like a weird solution to me. What are apps supposed to do in such
> > a case? Just not add actions? That can be handled on another level I
> > suppose.
>
> I was indeed thinking about this: just letting knotify discard the
> action if the notification server does not support them. I can easily
> provide a patch to do this.

why? the server can discard them just as easily without us adding to our AP=
I,=20
no?

to me this really sounds like the thin edge of a wedge that will encourage=
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people to not trust in actions and stop using them. which is why some peopl=
e=20
want, i know, but not what we want. i'm not cool with that kind of erosion.

> Still, I think it's useful to let applications know whether actions are
> supported or not. This way they can switch to other means of
> interactions (the other means in Ubuntu being message indicators, which
> I am working on as well, see [1])

exactly what i feared above. put simply: that's fixing it in the wrong plac=
e.

if actions aren't supported in Ubuntu's interpretation of How The World Wor=
ks=20
then Ubuntu needs to figure out how to rectify that. KDE should not, and AF=
AIC=20
will not, do that for Ubuntu (or any other single distro) at the cost of ou=
r=20
API and our application's consistency.

this is 100% solvable on the Ubuntu side, e.g. by turning actions into mess=
age=20
indicators. this is really rather easy with the approach Plasma takes to=20
notifications, actually.

in any case, this is a problem Ubuntu has created for itself, one the=20
upstreams are not in agreement with Ubuntu on (_none_ of the upstreams, afa=
ik)=20
and so it's a problem Ubuntu can fix downstream.

if it didn't put our application consistency at risk or muddy our APIs i=20
wouldn't care. but it does. so -1 from me.

=2D-=20
Aaron J. Seigo
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