From kde-core-devel  Fri Aug 28 13:53:53 2009
From: "Aaron J. Seigo" <aseigo () kde ! org>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:53:53 +0000
To: kde-core-devel
Subject: Re: situation with window decorations
Message-Id: <200908280753.54162.aseigo () kde ! org>
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On August 27, 2009, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
> The UI definitely needs work. Oh, and for button style, it should be
> "sunken" (<- "default"), "flush" (<- "KDE 4.2") and "raised" (as in KDE
> 4.1)... I want my original buttons back :-).

isn't this why we have the ability to have different window decorations? in=
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any case, please think very carefully about whether such fine grained chang=
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matter. i would humbly submit that the visual difference between sunken and=
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flush, at least as currently implemented, is really not worth an option.

pick a way and go for it :)

> +1 to dropping stripes :-). +100 to dropping drag handle, it's *ugly*.

huzzah! :)

> > the good things in Nitrogen? it has those Exceptions which should allow
> > us to tune it to work better with other applications. cool.
>
> Exceptions was easily the feature that made me go "ooh, shiny". +1 that
> this is the best feature in Nitrogen.

yep.

> > let's leave ultimatums out of it until we have an actual impasse.
>
>  From past experience, I can tell you that won't take long. Various
> people have been trying to get Oxygen to accept just the non-blended
> title bars since before 4.0...

we can figure this out while avoiding impasse. we just have to avoid self-
fulfilling prophecies of defeatist thinking :)

as for non-blended tiltle bars, it does look pretty bad when used as a glob=
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option. and it leads to distros shipping with things like solid blue titleb=
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which then ends up being the screenshots of KDE4 in regional and national=20
newspapers which gives people a very BAD impression of the beauty of KDE.

i think it's sensible to include it in the exceptions area for use cases li=
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firefox, but perhaps it shouldn't be a global option. we could include anot=
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window decoration that provides this very easily, no? in fact, unless i'm=20
mistaken, we already do.

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Aaron J. Seigo
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