From kde-core-devel  Fri Mar 13 13:36:41 2009
From: "Aaron J. Seigo" <aseigo () kde ! org>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:36:41 +0000
To: kde-core-devel
Subject: Re: Fullscreen interfaces
Message-Id: <200903130736.41910.aseigo () kde ! org>
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On Thursday 12 March 2009, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> A Dijous, 12 de mar=C3=A7 de 2009, Aaron J. Seigo va escriure:

> Well, personally i've this stance against plasma because it seems a very
> agressive project to me (i am not saying it is, it is just my own and very
> personal feeling).

aggressive as in "lots of development and has a clear set of ambitious goal=
s"=20
or something else?

> It got a video player when we already have a video player in KDE,

the video player widget is a wrapper around Phonon.
it is designed to allow people to easily embed bits of video in their=20
plasmoids.

if you look around the web, for instance, you'll see a lot of websites that=
=20
include little bits of video. it's a common use case.

just because we have kaffeine and dragon, doesn't mean we don't want video=
=20
anywhere else or that it's appropriate in all cases to have a full dragon p=
art=20
in an application (that's partly why we have Phonon in the first place)

so saying "plasma offers the ability to easily embed video and that is bad =
for=20
dragon player" is like saying "qt offers a table view, and that's bad for=20
kspread"

> somebody suggested a mixer plasma thingy when we already
> have kmix,

kicker had a mixer applet. plasma doesn't have such a widget yet. the=20
suggested mixer widget is nothing more than an improved version of the kick=
er=20
applet.

> it's got a web browser when we already have a web browser in
> KDE,

the web browser widget is there for the same reason as the video widget. we=
=20
have a little plasmoid built around it so people can put bits of web stuff =
on=20
their desktop if they wish, but it is not now, nor will it ever be, anythin=
g=20
akin to a viable or intended replacement for konqueror or any other full we=
b=20
browser.

> basically it seems like people want to code a "mini" KDE inside plasma
> with it's "window" management (obviously subpar compared to kwin) and all
> the apps.

you've read it completely wrong.

(and btw, having objects on a canvas has nothing to do with window manageme=
nt=20
nor is it meant to be like window management. i've personally on several=20
occasions blocked changes that would make plasmoids more "like windows"=20
because that is _not what they are_ nor how they can or should work)

> And that's something i'm not sure i like.

i hope that by understanding it better, you'll feel more at ease.

=2D-=20
Aaron J. Seigo
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