On 21 November 2007, David Faure >Sometimes I wish we had more old-timers... >We already did one KDE release with the close button on the left >(KDE-2.something I think) Not a developer, but a user for a long time and also one that sometimes play with the window button order:-) You are somewhat correct in remembering the last button fiasco, it was one of the betas to KDE 2.0 (Beta 3, KDE 1.92) not 2.x. Mosfet got lots of flames for that move(Some for the lack of menu button and the odd non square buttons too). That experiment basicly ended up as todays Laptop window decoration, when you use it's default button order. IMHO the Laptop configuration is a better configuration than Aaron's suggestion, but I'm just a grumpy old-timer so... Anyway, why not try it out on the next RC to test the waters? At least Aaron will not get the usual complaints about Plasma and the stuff he already know are not finished there, since those complainers would be to busy complaining abut the button order:-) Best regards Knut