From kde-core-devel Wed Nov 21 17:41:34 2007 From: "Jos Poortvliet" Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:41:34 +0000 To: kde-core-devel Subject: Re: TT vs. the community (Re: Using StyleSheets is bad WAS Re: Message-Id: <5c77e14b0711210941t2620b1d6rad068a1dda74accb () mail ! gmail ! com> X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=119566729702440 Usually I wouldn't respond on developer stuff, but I think this warrants a response. If you go and read Aaron's response properly, you see he makes an important point. A good relation with TT is incredibly important, and they ARE working on making it better. Sure you can say you where talking about facts, but I can't read your first mail in any other way than just plain ranting. Which is incredibly contra-productive. KDE 4 is gonna be great - 4.0 won't be perfect. So TT is going to work great with us. It's not perfect yet. I respond because I had a talk at aKademy with TT's community manager, and even though I can be rather naive, I can't come to any other conclusion than that TT really wants to work closer with us. As Aaron made clear, the current not-too-perfect situation is partly due to TT being afraid of the community - they had some bad experiences. Think about the whole reason Gnome exists... We should be nicer - they're providing an enormously beneficial service to us all. Sure, pushing to improve the working relationship is OK, but do it in a slightly more positive way, please. Or it'll backfire on us. On Nov 21, 2007 10:10 AM, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 05:28:38AM +0100, Thomas Zander wrote: > > You writing these emails while I and other trolls spent a LOT of > > effort making things work smoother is not helping. > > > might be. and whose fault is it that i didn't know how far those efforts > go? > > > ( really, you think its fun to write: "oh, cool - tt-bashing. let's > > join the party!" ?) > > > ... and putting a smiley with a humongous grin behind it? > yes, i do. deal with it. > > > You can't hang back and state you'll believe it when it happens and at > > the same time publicly and loudly put peoples efforts down as not even > > being on your radar. > > > i'm not putting anything down, i'm offering simple facts as an > explanation for the situation, including personal attitudes and > expectations. > > anyway, given that tt got the message, this isn't productive in any way. > EOT > > > -- > Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature, please! > -- > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. >