From kde-core-devel  Sat Nov 17 20:02:26 2007
From: "Aaron J. Seigo" <aseigo () kde ! org>
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 20:02:26 +0000
To: kde-core-devel
Subject: Re: Release Mode
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On Saturday 17 November 2007, Martin Koller wrote:
> compositing) currently the default style makes me feel like back in the
> 70's having only a black/white monitor.

i think that the colour hinting is still not really "there" at this point i=
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the style. it is one of the things that is far easier to add after the fact=
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than getting the shape and interaction parts.

> Everything is grey in grey. I can=20
> not see where a widget ends and another one starts (e.g. a splitter, a
> scrollbar). Try to run korganizer (attached screeny).

i have, and imo it looks waaaay better without the splitters jumping out an=
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smacking me across the face. some of the more popular kde3 styles also did=
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similarly. the extra space and the mouse cursor changing on mouse over are=
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good hints, though i agree with at least one of your improvement suggestion=
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further below.

(btw, the real wtf in the korganizer window right now are the very ugly=20
calendars, the incorrect layout margins around some of the parts (e.g. the=
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event detail box, the placement/location of the calendars selector ... that=
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window has lots of excellent and needed bits of information, but the layout=
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needs to be rethought; of course, not having time to work on that myself, i=
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should probably stfu myself about this right now ;)

> Do you quickly see that there are 2 splitters available ? (ok, other styl=
es

no, but then neither do i want to see them quickly. i want to be able to=20
concentrate on the *content*, not the gadgetry all over the place. this is=
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one of the biggest visual problems we had in previous versions of kde: all=
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the surrounding machinery like splitters and toolbars and what not were SO=
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LOUD THAT IT DISTRACTED from the real content (see how annoying that is ;)

one of the explicitly stated goals in kde4 is to make the surrounding gadge=
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that supports the content to be elegant and quiet.

> show a splitter also not much better, but they at least show a different
> color when hovering over it and adpat the pattern lenght according to the
> splitter length, which oxygen does not)

color hinting the dots on hover would be nice; a full length drawing of=20
something would be distracting.

> Maybe the people from oxygen can give a current status and what they think
> can be done up to the release ?

that would be useful, yes.

> If the current status would be what is finally delivered in 4.0, I doubt
> that the KDE4 desktop will make anyone say "Wow!"

are we really going to have this discussion every 1-2 weeks on this list?

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Aaron J. Seigo
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