From kde-core-devel  Sun Sep 16 17:30:56 2007
From: pinheiro <nuno () oxygen-icons ! org>
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:30:56 +0000
To: kde-core-devel
Subject: Re: Temporary KColorScheme change - hard-code some state colors
Message-Id: <200709161830.56570.nuno () oxygen-icons ! org>
X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=118997343829379

A Sunday 16 September 2007 17:27:45, Andreas Pakulat escreveu:
> On 15.09.07 17:06:00, pinheiro wrote:
> > A Saturday 15 September 2007 16:27:01, Kevin Ottens escreveu:
> > > Le samedi 15 septembre 2007, Jos Poortvliet a écrit :
> > > > Lets add to that how controversial the feature proved to be
> > > > earlier... Yet I applaud matthew for trying new things. If this is
> > > > easy to turn of, it's not a big thing to test it until release.
> > >
> > > Except that if it gets disabled just before the release it is code that
> > > will start to bitrot immediately.
> > >
> > > > This is the only
> > > > way we can really innovate - try. And don't be to hard on those who
> > > > do.
> > >
> > > Trying is fine, pushing to trunk is different. For experiments we have
> > > branches and we definitely don't use them enough in our development
> > > pattern... I admit subversion doesn't make it easy to work with
> > > branches though which is a shame.
> > >
> > > With sane branch support this stuff could have been developed and
> > > finished properly in a branch first (that is sane defaults and/or
> > > support for configuration). And, only when done, it could have been
> > > merged to trunk if there was no objection. This way we could have
> > > avoided pissing off a good part of our developer base.
> >
> > Ok but people must admit that wen Mathew frist asked about this here, he
> > satarted to talk to himself for the longuest time. So people were not
> > that much responsive to his ideas.
>
> Yes, because just from words its not possible for the "usual developer"
> to understand what effect a change on "visuals" will have. Thus they
> don't comment, because they've got more urgent things to look at in this
> stage of the release cycle.

Check his mails he even made a screnshot....

> > > > How about this:
> > > >>> punish mediocre successes, reward brilliant failures.
> > >
> > > What about this one:
> > > "science without conscience is but the ruin of the soul"
> > > (François Rabelais)
> > >
> > > So yeah, experiment but do it responsibly.
> >
> > There is ui on the making so you can fine tune it. Responsabilty part.
> > I just saw a screeniwe (thanks Richard Dale) of the diference and yes
> > it's way to much, but it is mostly in testing phase, until the control
> > thing is not done, its good to test. If i recal now it is in maximum
> > diference betwin active an inactive.
>
> As others have said: Branches are for testing. And apart from a "subtle"
> change being a usability issue because people with eye-problems won't
> notice it, the technical problem of redrawing large parts of a window is
> not going away just by making the color difference smaller.
>
> Andreas



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