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Subject: Re: Temporary KColorScheme change - hard-code some state colors
From: pinheiro <nuno () oxygen-icons ! org>
Date: 2007-09-16 17:43:35
Message-ID: 200709161843.35908.nuno () oxygen-icons ! org
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A Sunday 16 September 2007 18:24:59, Aaron J. Seigo escreveu:
> On Sunday 16 September 2007, Andreas Pakulat wrote:
> > On 16.09.07 18:45:33, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > > Being able to see which window is active seems pretty important to me.
> > > We can't change the color of the window decoration anymore, as that
> > > would visually really suck. The theme simply isn't made for that. So
> > > we can do something else (which Matthew here is trying) or rewrite
> > > Oxygen again.
> >
> > I'm starting to think that maybe the Oxygen design in its current form
> > doesn't play with the technical limitations we have. So maybe a redesign
> > is needed (yes that sucks, because it means that we won't have oxygen in
> > 4.0 and that the designers would throw away a lot of work).
>
> throwing the baby out with the bath water would be silly, imho. the issue
> here is quite simple:
>
> how to show inactive windows differently from active ones
>
> we've gotten high centered in this conversation over changing the palette.
> that *obviously* isn't the only approach. really, we could quite easily get
> away with simply applying a little colour to the window decoration buttons
> and then desaturating them when not the active window.
>
> this isn't a reason to toss oxygen out (and reading such things must be
> pretty demoralizing for the designers and developers involved, btw). at the
> same time, the oxygen designers do need to loosen up a bit and look at
> other options instead of trying to force through this palette change thing
> which we just really aren't ready for (technology-wise) right now.
>
> we can try to do such palette changes properly later (e.g. 4.1 or
> whatever), but right now we need a pragmatic solution (which "scrap oxygen"
> isn't)
yes aron, i just moked a inactive version of the window withe windeckbuton the butons greeyd \
out, also note that the botons wen done have color on over and pressed. thinking on making the \
"x" in red so the difrence betwin active and inacive is even biguer.... its not perfect baut \
its ok i gess..... link
http://www.nuno-icons.com/images/estilo/image4618nocoloring.png
--
core oxygen icon designer
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style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Bitstream Vera Sans"> <p><span style="color:#000000">A Sunday \
16 September 2007 18:24:59, Aaron J. Seigo escreveu:</span></p> <p><span \
style="color:#000000">> On Sunday 16 September 2007, Andreas Pakulat wrote:</span></p> \
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > On 16.09.07 18:45:33, Jos Poortvliet wrote:</span></p> \
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > Being able to see which window is active seems \
pretty important to me.</span></p> <p><span style="color:#000000">> > > We can't \
change the color of the window decoration anymore, as that</span></p> <p><span \
style="color:#000000">> > > would visually really suck. The theme simply isn't made \
for that. So</span></p> <p><span style="color:#000000">> > > we can do something else \
(which Matthew here is trying) or rewrite</span></p> <p><span style="color:#000000">> > \
> Oxygen again.</span></p> <p><span style="color:#000000">> ></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > I'm starting to think that maybe the Oxygen design in \
its current form</span></p> <p><span style="color:#000000">> > doesn't play with the \
technical limitations we have. So maybe a redesign</span></p> <p><span \
style="color:#000000">> > is needed (yes that sucks, because it means that we won't have \
oxygen in</span></p> <p><span style="color:#000000">> > 4.0 and that the designers would \
throw away a lot of work).</span></p> <p><span style="color:#000000">></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> throwing the baby out with the bath water would be silly, \
imho. the issue</span></p> <p><span style="color:#000000">> here is quite simple:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> how to show inactive windows differently from active \
ones</span></p> <p><span style="color:#000000">></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> we've gotten high centered in this conversation over \
changing the palette.</span></p> <p><span style="color:#000000">> that *obviously* isn't the \
only approach. really, we could quite easily get</span></p> <p><span style="color:#000000">> \
away with simply applying a little colour to the window decoration buttons</span></p> <p><span \
style="color:#000000">> and then desaturating them when not the active window.</span></p> \
<p><span style="color:#000000">></span></p> <p><span style="color:#000000">> this isn't a \
reason to toss oxygen out (and reading such things must be</span></p> <p><span \
style="color:#000000">> pretty demoralizing for the designers and developers involved, btw). \
at the</span></p> <p><span style="color:#000000">> same time, the oxygen designers do need \
to loosen up a bit and look at</span></p> <p><span style="color:#000000">> other options \
instead of trying to force through this palette change thing</span></p> <p><span \
style="color:#000000">> which we just really aren't ready for (technology-wise) right \
now.</span></p> <p><span style="color:#000000">></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> we can try to do such palette changes properly later (e.g. \
4.1 or</span></p> <p><span style="color:#000000">> whatever), but right now we need a \
pragmatic solution (which "scrap oxygen"</span></p> <p><span \
style="color:#000000">> isn't)</span></p> <p></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">yes aron, i just moked a inactive version of the window withe \
windeckbuton the butons greeyd out, also note that the botons wen done have color on over and \
pressed. thinking on making the "x" in red so the difrence betwin active and inacive \
is even biguer.... its not perfect baut its ok i gess.....</span></p> <p><span \
style="color:#000000">link </span></p> <p><span \
style="text-decoration:underline;color:#0d00ff">http://www.nuno-icons.com/images/estilo/image4618nocoloring.png</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000"> </span></p>
<p></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">-- </span></p>
<p></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">core oxygen icon designer</span></p>
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