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Subject: Re: replacing kcontrol with system settings
From: "Jos Poortvliet" <jos () mijnkamer ! nl>
Date: 2007-06-15 11:23:25
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On 6/15/07, Krzysztof Lichota <krzysiek@lichota.net> wrote:
>
> Ellen Reitmayr napisał(a):
> > On Thursday 14 June 2007, Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
> >> And after years of claiming that
> >> having ordinary and advanced buttons wasn't a solution, that's just
> what
> >> system settings provides.
> >
> > unlike kcontrol, systemsettings wants to guide the user to set up the
> most
> > important parts of the work environment. that's the information given
> on the
> > first tab. to make systemsettings be a real alternative for kcontrol, we
> > still had to provide the more advanced settings.
>
> My main problem with system settings (and the reason I am using kcontrol
> not systemsettings) is that it does not provide easy to use search
> function.
>
> In kcontrol, I am not using tree view at all - i just type keyword (for
> example "font" if I am looking for font installation module) and I see
> all matching terms, select the term and I can go to the proper kcontrol
> module right after that.
>
> In system settings I can type "font" in search, but:
> 1. I do not get search terms, so I cannot differentiate between changing
> fonts or font installer.
> 2. I get 1 result in General and 1 in in Advanced. Now - how am I
> supposed to know if font installer is in General or in Advanced? I have
> to go to each matching icon, click it, check if it is there, click back,
> etc.
> 3. Marking modules with matching terms by greying out other modules does
> not really work for color-blind people. For others is also not
> convenient, I would prefer to see only sections and items which are
> matching.
>
> IMO systemsettings search should be changed to work as in kcontrol -
> type some text to see matching terms, click on term to see matching
> modules (probably with sections delimeters for clarity). And matching
> modules from General and Advanced Tab should be on one page, so that I
> do not have to switch to other tab to see its results.
The matching search term stuff, I never understood that. I think it's
useless, doesn't add anything, and I don't understand why Kcontrol added it
in the first place. I agree SystemSettings should only show matching
modules, but no search terms or anything...
And I also think when searching, the distinction between advanced and normal
should be removed. If you have 1 result in the normal tab, and 1 in
advanced, it'd be totally silly to still have those two tabs. Just merge
them when searching.
If the search function is fixed I think it might be useful replacement
> for kcontrol :)
>
> Just my 2c.
>
> Krzysztof Lichota
>
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On 6/15/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Krzysztof Lichota</b> <<a \
href="mailto:krzysiek@lichota.net">krzysiek@lichota.net</a>> wrote:<div><span \
class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px \
solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Ellen \
Reitmayr napisał(a):<br>> On Thursday 14 June 2007, Boudewijn Rempt \
wrote:<br>>> And after years of claiming that<br>>> having ordinary and \
advanced buttons wasn't a solution, that's just what <br>>> system \
settings provides.<br>><br>> unlike kcontrol, systemsettings wants to guide the \
user to set up the most<br>> important parts of the work \
environment. that's the information given on the<br> > first tab. \
to make systemsettings be a real alternative for kcontrol, we<br>> still had to \
provide the more advanced settings.<br><br>My main problem with system settings (and \
the reason I am using kcontrol<br>not systemsettings) is that it does not provide \
easy to use search <br>function.<br><br>In kcontrol, I am not using tree view at all \
- i just type keyword (for<br>example "font" if I am looking for font \
installation module) and I see<br>all matching terms, select the term and I can go to \
the proper kcontrol <br>module right after that.<br><br>In system settings I can type \
"font" in search, but:<br>1. I do not get search terms, so I cannot \
differentiate between changing<br>fonts or font installer.<br>2. I get 1 result in \
General and 1 in in Advanced. Now - how am I <br>supposed to know if font installer \
is in General or in Advanced? I have<br>to go to each matching icon, click it, check \
if it is there, click back,<br>etc.<br>3. Marking modules with matching terms by \
greying out other modules does <br>not really work for color-blind people. For others \
is also not<br>convenient, I would prefer to see only sections and items which \
are<br>matching.<br><br>IMO systemsettings search should be changed to work as in \
kcontrol - <br>type some text to see matching terms, click on term to see \
matching<br>modules (probably with sections delimeters for clarity). And \
matching<br>modules from General and Advanced Tab should be on one page, so that \
I<br> do not have to switch to other tab to see its results.</blockquote><div><br>The \
matching search term stuff, I never understood that. I think it's useless, \
doesn't add anything, and I don't understand why Kcontrol added it in the \
first place. I agree SystemSettings should only show matching modules, but no search \
terms or anything... <br><br>And I also think when searching, the distinction between \
advanced and normal should be removed. If you have 1 result in the normal tab, and 1 \
in advanced, it'd be totally silly to still have those two tabs. Just merge them \
when searching. <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px \
solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">If the \
search function is fixed I think it might be useful replacement<br>for kcontrol :) \
<br><br>Just my 2c.<br><br> Krzysztof \
Lichota<br><br><br><br><br></blockquote></div><br>
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