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On Saturday 31 March 2007 13:30, Olaf Schmidt wrote:
> [ Ellen Reitmayr, Sa., 31. M=E4r. 2007 ]
>
> > It was told earlier in this thread that Alt should work to get focus in=
to
> > the menu without pressing an accelerator key. It doesn;t work in all
> > apps, but if that is fixed the hci wg is fine with Alt instead of F10 ;=
=2D)
>
> I disagree.
>
> I see serious accessibility and usability issues with this use of Alt:
>
> * I once lost important work because I pressed Alt without realising it a=
nd
> key presses that should have gone into the document went into the menu
> instead.

I regret that that happened, its something I can sympathise with, for sure.
This argument, however, doesn't really help here as the solution to your=20
problem is to stop using alt for that purpose completely.  Which breaks
with > 10 years of computer use.  Not sure if that's a wise idea.
And if we don't stop using Alt altogether, your point stopped being an=20
argument for the question at hand.

> * F10 to access the menu is a standard shortcut shared by Windows, GNOME
> and cross-platform applications like OpenOffice, which means that it cann=
ot
> be used by KDE applications anyway that are intended to work in one of
> those environments.

As stated elsewhere in this thread; we have platform shortcuts for such cas=
es.=20
So if you use the workspace on Windows, then we may want to have this key a=
s=20
a default.
But the rest of your argument doesn't hold.  For plain practicality.  If we=
=20
have to stop creating shortcuts in our application that are used on any and=
=20
all platforms, we are left with just about no keys free.
So we have to find another solution for that; probably by shipping a differ=
ent=20
rc file with defaults for that application on that platform.

However we solve it, your argument can not be used as a reason for the curr=
ent=20
discussion. Sorry.
=2D-=20
Thomas Zander

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