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On Thursday 29 March 2007 18:00, Andreas Hartmetz wrote:
> On Thursday 29 March 2007 16:29:34 David Faure wrote:
> > On Thursday 29 March 2007, Lubos Lunak wrote:
> > > On Thursday 29 of March 2007, Thomas Zander wrote:
> > > > On Thursday 29 March 2007 12:52, Andras Mantia wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday 29 March 2007, Ellen Reitmayr wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday 29 March 2007 11:58, Andras Mantia wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > as an alternative. alt only works in combination with an
> > > > > > accelerator keys.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, pressing Alt alone focuses the menu
> > > >
> > > > Yes, and the first time I saw it was in Win95.  Which IMO makes it a
> > > > standard.
> > >
> > >  Which however doesn't necessarily mean that much, as there's
> > > another "standard" called pressing Win alone opens the system menu.
> > > Which we've tried to implemented and eventually gave up. They're about
> > > the same. Or, to complete the list, yet another similar (mis)feature =
is
> > > pressing Ctrl alone shows accesskeys in KHTML.
> >
> > Yes. All three single-modified-shortcuts tend to trigger by mistake.
> > I have seen my wife fight with kmail which wouldn't accept key input
> > anymore after pressing Alt by accident.
> > And I am annoyed by accesskeys showing up on Ctrl alone like everyone
> > else, of course.
> >
> > Alt alone should go. But F10 alone ... a very common shortcut for many
> > things (kdevelop, new folder in konqueror...)... I would have suggested
> > Ctrl+F10 (to still be near the F10 standard that Ellen says is used by
> > other DEs), but she's already suggesting that one for something else...
> >
> >
> > About Ctrl+R for reload: the standard action already has Qt::Key_F5 and
> > Qt::Key_Refresh (what's that? there are keyboards with a Refresh key?).
> > Konq replaces the latter with Ctrl+R - we have room for only two
> > alternate shortcuts; hmm, I wonder if this limitation still stands at t=
he
> > technical level, or only in the API...
>
> It's only in the API. QAction now has setShortcuts(QList<QKeySequence>).
> KDE ignores any shortcuts after the second two everywhere, however. They
> will still trigger an action, but they won't get saved when changed, are
> not configurable in KKeyDialog, etc.
> All this could be changed with some nontrivial effort.
>
> KKeyDialog ATM cannot resolve shortcut conflicts involving more than the
> first or second key sequence. It's simply an UI problem to deal with an
> arbitrary list of arbitrary lists of shortcuts.
> For example, in a QTreeView, you cannot open a subtree with its root in a
> column different from the first.
>
> A possible solution goes like this:
> I made a thing called "KExtendableItemDelegate" that lets you put an
> arbitrary QWidget that spans all columns under an item (of any column) in=
 a
> list-like itemview, which could be used there. It was originally intended
> to be used in KKeyDialog, though not exactly as outlined here.
> Ellen and me discussed a design using it, but that one is centered around
> "one column for one key sequence".
> Maybe it could be adapted to look like this:
> (Some tricks required, but doable. Will Qt get faster drawing code for
> QTreeWidget in time?)
>
>
> Name	shortcut			rocker gesture				shape gesture
> (foo)		^ Ctrl+A;Ctrl+B	^ Hold left, push right		(pic) line
> (bar)		^ Ctrl+B;Ctrl+C	^ Hold right, push left		(pic) square
> (baz)		v Ctrl+D; Ctrl+E;F12	^ Hold middle, push right		(pic) circle
> 		Primary:	[x] Default : Ctrl+D
>   Q->				[ ] Custom: { None } <- a KKeyButton
>   W		------------------------------------------------------------
>   i		Alternate:	[ ] Default : Ctrl+T
>   d				[x] Custom : { Ctrl+E }
>   g		------------------------------------------------------------
>   e		Extra 1:	[ ] Default : None
>   t				[x] Custom : { F12 }
>   !		------------------------------------------------------------
>   v		Extra 2:	[x] Default : None
> 				[ ] Custom : { None }
>
> (blah)	^ Ctrl+F			^ Hold middle, push left		(pic) triangle
>
>
> There would always be one more shortcut configuration widget visible that
> is set to "None". As soon as it is set to something, another one would
> appear. Default and Custom could be put in the same row to save vertical
> space.
>
> Ellen?

IMO better don't offer this. Two alternative shortcuts should really be=20
enough - the danger that too many keyboard shortcuts are taken by the syste=
m=20
is really too high then.

/el



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Ellen Reitmayr
KDE Usability Project
usability.kde.org

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