--nextPart2300094.niz1lo7PQG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 15 November 2006 3:57, Torsten Rahn (KDE) wrote: > Am Dienstag, 14. November 2006 03:10 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: > > cd burning is not a hard requirement for a basic desktop. neither is > > digital camera software. > > What do you define as a hard requirement?=20 to quote my own email: "i keep asking myself where these lines exist. i don't yet have a good answ= er.=20 maybe one of you do. there are some obvious inclusions, but it gets fuzzy a= t=20 the edges for me still." with that disclaimer, as i see it: a "basic desktop" is not the same thing as a "shippable desktop". we don't= =20 ship a finished product. we create the pieces, identify them as best we can= =20 ("this is part of our libraries and has an ABI policy, this is one of our=20 core communications apps, this is an extragear app, ...") and the packagers= =20 work with that (and us) to produce shippable products. so a "basic desktop" would be, imo, "the basic unit upon which one would bu= ild=20 a useful desktop for a given set of users". not everyone does digital photography and only a subset of those use a=20 software manager for their photos. it's an outright rarity in office use. s= o=20 it's certainly not a "basic desktop" component in that sense then. more people may burn CDs, but then more people than that use word processor= s=20 and yet we don't ship a word processor either. and some OSVs ship their own= =20 custom cd burning software with kde rather than K3B. it's not an "indivisib= le=20 part" of that thing we call the desktop. i am, however, very concerned about document viewers (which includes pdf)=20 because they are IMHO a part of that "basic desktop" and this too is=20 reflected in the decisions made by packagers. who doesn't ship a pdf viewer= =20 as part of a default desktop? how many distros write their own document=20 viewers? how many would -want- to?=20 can we afford to let a natural selection process happen in this case? and would a natural selection process even "work" as it did with cd burning= =20 titles given that the two applications look and function so similarly? yes, it's a lot of judgement calls. =2D-=20 Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 =46ull time KDE developer sponsored by Trolltech (http://www.trolltech.com) --nextPart2300094.niz1lo7PQG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFW4ZT1rcusafx20MRAnVnAJ0a7OIYSM+e93ghkogotMuFiWPa5ACfdRPx IyuQ9CWOtnX8+xCW7THMe/Y= =MpAA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2300094.niz1lo7PQG--