From kde-core-devel  Fri Jul 07 14:21:08 2006
From: Lubos Lunak <l.lunak () suse ! cz>
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:21:08 +0000
To: kde-core-devel
Subject: Re: modifier-only shortcuts
Message-Id: <200607071621.08876.l.lunak () suse ! cz>
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On Friday 07 July 2006 14:11, Chusslove Illich wrote:
> >> [: Aaron J. Seigo :]
> >> and it's a "proper" command sequence involving a control key and a
> >> non-control key that isn't used for anything else i can really think of.
> >
> > [: Alexander Dymo :]
> > This would be alt+space on intel, right?
>
> Bloody hell, how did nobody think of this before? Now I tried, and of
> course it works. Should we make it default?

 I'd suggest so, because it seems to make sense (and we can claim we're like 
Apple and not like Windows :) ).

 Moreover, one more reason against modifier-only shortcuts, besides the 
already mentioned ones, is purely technical. It's bloody difficult, or maybe 
even impossible, to do it correctly. As long as correct includes not killing 
all other shortcuts using that combination. Remember the 
Win-key-alone-opens-K-Menu feature? There were always some problems with it.

 Basically, you're not notified of key events if you don't have focus unless 
you have keyboard grab (active or passive). You can set up a passive grab on 
a modified combination, but for other shortcuts using these modifiers to work 
you have to let go of the grab and then you have no way[*] to find out if 
actually the user pressed something more or only the modifiers. If you don't 
let go of the grab and instead try to forward the presses, well, that's what 
the K-Menu code tried and apparently nobody managed to get that working 100%.

 If you think you really want support for that in kxkb, you can try your luck, 
but you'll probably have to use XGrabKey() directly and allow to 
differentiate between left and right modifiers (using e.g. right Alt+Ctrl and 
as such disabling it for everything else seems to be harmless, I don't think 
I've ever used them for any shortcut).

[*] Might be there would be some X extension for input that'd give this 
information somehow, but there's nothing like that in core X and I don't know 
about extensions.

 L