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List:       kde-core-devel
Subject:    Re: [Fwd: [kde-artists] Where to install (new) HiColor icons]
From:       James Richard Tyrer <tyrerj () acm ! org>
Date:       2006-06-05 13:37:16
Message-ID: 4484338C.20508 () acm ! org
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Jakob Petsovits wrote:
> On Friday, 2. June 2006 03:49, Kenneth Wimer wrote:
>> Saying that all icons should look the same is simply crap and
>> detracts from the value the artist creates when making a
>> theme...indeed, it kills the idea of having a "theme" at all.

Don't really understand what he meant there, do you?

>> So the next sentence solves any problems with this poorly stated
>> sentence by stating "But if you don't have any neutral icon, please
>> install whatever icon you have in the hicolor theme so that all
>> applications get at least some icon in all themes."
>> 
>> So what it comes down to is installing our app icons in hicolor.
>> 
>> At this time, this would mean moving all crystal app icons into
>> hicolor since that is our default theme. Adding whatever
>> differently styled icons to complete the set of kde app icons is
>> not understandable since it would ruin the look of kde itself and
>> its apps running in other desktops.
> 
> So, if I got this correctly, the question comes down to "Do we want
> Crystal icons or JRT's 'hicolor' icons to be installed into the
> 'hicolor' theme folder and act as a fallback for other themes?"
> 
> The artists' position is that there can be no "neutral" icons, and
> therefore it doesn't matter if we fall back to Crystal or "hicolor",
> because both of them have their own distinct style. And as Crystal is
> KDE's default, we should rather fall back to Crystal.
> 
> JRT's position is that the previous "hicolor" icons fit better into
> other icon sets and should therefore be regarded as more "neutral"
> than Crystal, and should therefore be chosen as fallback.
> 
> That's the question, right?

Not exactly; the specific question is where to install generic versions
of _new_ icons (new icons being icons which have previously not existed 
and, therefore, do not exist in any themes other than CrystalSVG).

I have made new icons in both CrystalSVG style and generic/neutral
style.  It seems obvious that the CrystalSVG icons should be installed
as CrystalSVG and there appears to be no issue taken with that except
that KW is now denigrating my artistic work.

The question is where the generic/neutral icons should be installed.  It 
seemed obvious to me that the spec says that they should be installed as 
HiColor.

This question is currently confounded by the existence of serious bugs 
in the KDE icon loader.  I have suggested that a work around for some 
bug issues is that some _new_sizes_ of icons that already exist in other 
  non-Crystal themes (for which sizes are missing in KDEClassic and 
other non-Crystal themes) need to be installed as both KDEClassic and 
HiColor.  Perhaps that isn't correct.  But, the question is really about 
_new_ icons and should probably be limited to that since any bug work 
around would only be used till the bug was fixed.

-- 
JRT
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