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On Thursday 26 January 2006 01:40, Alexander Dymo wrote:
> But I have my own experience that tells me that KDevelop is usually
> not a best tool for my development tasks. It's a cool IDE, but not
> for me. Wtf? I participated in its development, I implemented many
> things and now I don't use it much. This question bothers me every
> day and I'm going to get an answer from myself at the first place.

Ok, I think we need a supporting mail as well. I use KDevelop almost=20
exclusively to develop anything for KDE, ever since KDevelop 2 which=20
was way inferior to the current one. I only use Kate or mcedit (hi=20
Ossi) when I have to quickly patch something which I usually do not=20
work on. For your own application I find KDevelop to be quite good,=20
altough it has several problems:
=2D it is hard to set up when your application is together with other=20
applications in a module
=2D the automake manager has quite some problems
=2D the UI is somewhat cluttered
=2D the debugger wants to do some things on his own
=2D in the standard mode there is no split view (and no, the mode which=20
has is not that good for me)
=2D compilation inside is slower due to the compiler output filtering
=2D from time to time it has problems with the code completion (mainly=20
because of BDB)
=2D it is hard to use/set up for library developing=20
=2D feels unfinished in lot of places

But these are things that can be and should be improved and they are not=20
something that is very hard to solve, at least part of them. And it has=20
quite some strengths and pros compared to other editors:
=2D it can be learned easily (yes, this comes from Kate), compared to vim=20
or emacs.=20
=2D syntax highlighting is good (again, thanks to Kate)
=2D it can be used both with the mouse (after all its a GUI application),=20
and for the basic tasks with the keyboard as well. Keyboard handling=20
needs to be improved though
=2D the integrated debugger is very handy
=2D the code completion and the integrated help system helps a lot
=2D for me it saves a lot of time that I could do everything from inside=20
one application

I find an invaluable tool and I'm sure it is for many others, especially=20
those who were not Unix/Linux hackers before switching to KDE. And I=20
think here is the problem and the small adoption of KDevelop (and for=20
that matter Kate) inside the "core" KDE developers: they are many times=20
long time Linux users before the modern Linux desktops appeared and=20
they are so accustomed with their command line (or similar, but with=20
the same idea behind) tools, that it is hard for them to switch to a=20
completely new style. This is understandable, but there is always a=20
but: why do we create a GUI desktop and applications than? So give it a=20
try and use from time to time our own applications, maybe you will find=20
the good in them and will help to improve them. Your ideas and=20
experience from other fields could help a lot existing KDE=20
applications, and as you are almost all developers, in this case it=20
could help KDevelop and Kate as an editor.

Andras
=2D-=20
Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org
K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org

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