Hi! We had another heated discussion I would like to summarize. Somehow Danimo couldn't wait, but blogged 2 minutes after we finished the meeting, so there is few to say more than what you can read in http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1390 We were basically discussing a couple of things: kdebase in it's current form is too strictly bound to the UNIX desktop we developed so far. Many in the past raised the concern that you don't need kicker on Windows, but you still would like to have the ioslaves and the helpcenter on it - still both are bound together in one SVN module. So we decided to split kdebase into two subsets: those apps that are foundation for other applicatins and those apps that make up the KDE desktop. This wasn't really controversial. The other aspect was much more controversial as it related to kdelibs. The idea presented was to split kdelibs into the parts that only rely on Qt each (most widgets, some of our kdecore parts) and those parts that are either grouped together to make up KDE's framework and the parts that rely on that KDE framework. We had some ideas floating around and we still have to show if it's feasible and possible. But we decided to try _and_ what we decided that this development will happen in /trunk according to some guide lines we will set up just when the akademy is over. And that we will first do cleanups and movings around later. And to make application development/porting in any way reasonable I branched kdelibs to /branches/work/kdelibs4_snapshot - you should use that one if you're not interested in developing kdelibs. Expect trunk/KDE/kdelibs to be broken at any random time (for now). Greetings, Stephan -- Mein Lebensmotto? Man muss auch mal 1+1 gerade sein lassen können.