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On April 18, 2005 15:34, Lubos Lunak wrote:
> On Saturday 16 of April 2005 01:31, George Staikos wrote:
> > On Friday 15 April 2005 12:46, Lubos Lunak wrote:
> > > 2) converting applet-like systray apps to real applets. Aaron had some
> > > issues with this because of having bad nightmares about XEmbed, so th=
is
> > > needs more discussion, the remaining complains can be basically solved
> > > by saying "so that needs fixing/improving" if my memory serves me wel=
l.
> >
> >    Discussions about these two at xdevconf seemed to show that everyone
> > there interested agreed.
>
>  Aaron wasn't here :). And he doesn't seem to think converting the 2) kind
> of systray apps to applet is a good idea.

that's because "applet like systray apps" is not a meaningful distinction.=
=20
that's like saying "applications with a window". there are different types =
of=20
applications that have windows with different sorts of needs. so SOME=20
"applet-like" systray  apps should become applets, some should disapear int=
o=20
the background altogether, and some are probably best served in a simple tr=
ay=20
area.

> >   What do you suggest for KWallet?  It's important to know that a wallet
> > is open.  Likewise for the print manager...
>
>  Honestly, I don't know. Unlike Aaron, I don't want just to solve the
> "systray mechanism sucks" problem, I also want to solve the "systray
> concept sucks" problem.

and this is our fundamental divide. i don't think the systray concept sucks=
=2E i=20
think its abused because the way it is designed allows it to be abused. jus=
t=20
because messed up once doesn't mean we should throw the baby out with the=20
bathwater.

that said, i really don't see the difference between your proposed patches =
and=20
a "better systray".

>  And the problem here is that I'd want to separate areas "my hidden apps
> are here" and "notifications are here". But KWallet or the print manager
> kind of fit in both. Maybe they could go to 1), but I'm really unsure now.

yes, the world is not a tidy place. this is where all such=20
simplification-ad-absurdum type soultions start to fall apart. =3D(

=2D-=20
Aaron J. Seigo
Society is Geometric

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