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On April 15, 2005 16:46, Lubos Lunak wrote:
> 1) not using systray for apps minimizing, using another taskbar instead,
> which may in the end even look a lot like a systray from the user's point
> of view. As you'll see below this in practice mainly means replacing
> KSystemTray and the underlying protocol. People in general seemed(?) to
> like this part, so see below about the code.

yes, i love this. this is pretty much exactly what i'm looking for. i think=
 we=20
sould pursue this. it's probably a KDE4 thing due to the amount of changes =
it=20
requires, though there's no reason we couldn't experiment with it in 3.5 ...

though this would mean changes to libs in 3.5, and i thought 3.5 was going =
to=20
be an "applications" release. or are we releasing the whole platform from=20
arts -> adddons again?

> 2) converting applet-like systray apps to real applets. Aaron had some
> issues with this because of having bad nightmares about XEmbed, so this

no, not because of XEmbed, but because the systray form factor and=20
ease-of-programming have real world benefits that applets will not be able =
to=20
cover as well.

> 3) improving KNotify so that apps that now use systray just to notify abo=
ut
> things will stop using systray, will stop rolling their own notification
> implementations, and will simply use KNotify. This seemed to be generally
> like as well.

yes.

> 4) not using the systray for daemons, quick access and such stuff, instead
> simply not having any GUI for those, or using applets/whatever. I'm not
> actually sure what was the opinion on this.

depends on the daemon. for some this is the obvious step (e.g. the uiserver=
),=20
for others it may not be. i don't think we can classify them all together=20
unfortunately.

>  Ok, now the more interesting part, i.e. the one with patches. See
> attachments with patches for kdelibs/kdecore,
> kdebase/kicker/applets/systemtray and kdebase/kwin . They kind of impleme=
nt
> 1), it still needs quite some work and they're a bit hackish in some
> places, but it's good enough for seeing the idea in practice. Note that y=
ou
> need current CVS of kdecore for them to work properly.

ok, i love this idea. let's pursue it further.

=2D-=20
Aaron J. Seigo
Society is Geometric

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