From kde-core-devel  Fri Feb 18 12:48:56 2005
From: Torsten Rahn <torsten.rahn () credativ ! de>
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:48:56 +0000
To: kde-core-devel
Subject: Re: HIG (Future of KDE Development)
Message-Id: <200502181348.56829.torsten.rahn () credativ ! de>
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I wonder why such a long thread which is even titled HIG and focuses clearly 
and explicitely on usability is discussed by developers only on 
kde-core-devel instead of kde-usability where it belongs and where it would 
probably involve usability engineers as well.

Greetings,
Torsten Rahn

Am Freitag, 18. Februar 2005 12:56 schrieb Benjamin Meyer:
> On Friday 18 February 2005 12:23 am, Ingo Klöcker wrote:
> > On Friday 18 February 2005 01:05, Benjamin Meyer wrote:
> > > On Thursday 17 February 2005 9:20 pm, Richard Moore wrote:
> > > > Ok - rather than talk in the abstract I'll present two different
> > > > use cases, and if IDEAL can support them both then there's no
> > > > problem (assuming I don't need to click 10 million things to
> > > > configure it so that these happen).
> > > >
> > > > 1. I use paintshop pro a lot. I frequently need to have a large
> > > > number of images visible at the same time either to compare them,
> > > > or because I'm using them to edit fragments of images that I stick
> > > > together later to make a single image. In this example having lots
> > > > of pseudo-toplevel widgets inside the app makes a lot of sense and
> > > > is very easy to use.
> > > >
> > > > 2. I frequently use ksirc to have several different chat channels
> > > > open. I want each to use the full space allocated to the window and
> > > > I want to be able to switch between them quickly.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Rich.
> > >
> > > I have a patch for kwin that will raise all windows from the same
> > > application when you click on one window.  Needs some some pollish,
> > > but I have been using it for a few months.  So when using Gimp,
> > > ksirc, or the new Qt Designer in Qt4 when I click on one window in
> > > the application the rest raise up. Personally I don't know why we
> > > didn't have this all along.
> >
> > Probably because it breaks if all those windows are not next to each
> > other, but on top of each other (at least overlapping)?
> >
> > Assume you have two windows A and B. B is in front of A hiding it
> > partially. Now you want to bring A to the front. You click on it. kwin
> > raises A, then kwin raises B. Result: A is not in front.
> >
> > This isn't an academic example. If you have multiple images open in Gimp
> > then it's very unlikely that the windows don't overlap.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ingo
>
> Nope, no problem here.  It works like this:
>
> Assume you have two windows A and B, both from the same application. B is
> in front of A hiding it partially. Now you want to bring A to the front.
> You click on it. kwin raises _B_, then kwin raises A. Result: A is in
> front.
>
> -Benjamin Meyer