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On Monday 14 February 2005 08:10, Jason Keirstead wrote:
> On Sunday 13 February 2005 8:30 pm, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > no, i don't want to eliminate "minimize/restore on click", but i would
> > like to eliminate systray icons that are ONLY (or at least primarily)
> > used for that and nothing more. kmail/kontact uses the icon for status =
as
> > well and therefore belongs in the systray =3D)
>
> I definitly don't think this shuld be eliminated... this is pretty much t=
he
> only thing I use the system tray for at all, and I am pretty sure lots of
> others are in the same boat.

it's a complete abuse of the concept of a system tray and is what we have a=
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taskbar for. if the issue is "it takes up too much space to have a taskbar=
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entry" then that can be handled by the taskbar. it's not necessary to make=
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the system tray broken for everyone else. in other words, we can make=20
everyone happy here.

> The system tray is a pretty crappy place for notifications.. it is very
> small, and in the farthest possible corner from thwere your eyes tend to =
be
> while using the computer(top left to middle center for LTR people, top
> right to middle center for RTL people).

positioning is changeable. we're talking about the actual concept at use he=
re.

> Unless the notifications are large,=20
> blinking-type boxes ( or have sounds), you hardly notice them at all. I
> sure don't notice my KMail message count increase unless I look directly =
at

that's kind of the point. a place for non-urgent, on-demand status updates.=
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don't want kmail to blast a huge notification in the middle of your screen =
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default whenever you have unread mail. it makes lots of sense to have it in=
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the systray where you can glance down at it. in kde4 we hopefully will make=
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that systray icon even more useful by tieing it to a mini version of the=20
kontact summary page.

> However, it is ideal for getting things "out of the way' so to speak. In
> fact I am pretty sure that is why the thing was created at all... to be
> able run apps that you want access to once in awhile, but don't like to be
> in the way. It was not until very recently (in the history of the "tray"
> concept) that it started being used for notifiations.

i'm not sure you've got your facts straight, but let's say you do. what you=
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saying is that because historically we got it wrong, we should keep it=20
broken? heh ... uuuuuh.

what this email of yours does show, however, is that the system tray is poo=
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defined in our documentation (documen-what?). we'll have to fix that as wel=
l.

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Aaron J. Seigo
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