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On Monday 14 February 2005 01:20, Malte S. Stretz wrote:
> On Monday 14 February 2005 08:57 CET Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > On Sunday 13 February 2005 06:12, G=C3=A1bor Lehel wrote:
> > >[...]
> > > replace their taskbar entry entirely with an icon in this area...).
> >
> > and break UI consistency. no, let's not copy MacOS X here please.
>
> Actually, why not?  This is almost one of the long-outstanding wishes I
> never got to report via b.k.o :)

because it's universally mocked in the usability community and because=20
new/average users tend to struggle with the dock. in a recent blog entry i=
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related having a conversation with 3 MacOS X users (one newbie, one average=
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one advanced) and all three agreed the dock looked great but was a pain to=
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work with.

> There are now quite some apps which offer the possibility to be moved to
> the systray, but still a bunch of them can't be (and others which probably
> never will).  One example is KNode -- I have it running 24/7 and it always
> takes up some space in my taskbar which other apps could use better.

so let's make the taskbar deal with these apps better. let's not break the=
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systray further.

> A really cool feature would be an additional "Minimize to Traybar" for ea=
ch
> app.  That way you could store away long-running apps to a place where th=
ey
> don't take up so much space on your instantly available Taskbar (my main

how about a "Minimize to Icon on Taskbar"? we could then push all these ico=
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to one end of the taskbar, and you'll still have access to all their window=
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individually (which you wouldn't with the systray) and we don't break our U=
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metaphores. i'd actually be willing to implement this ... would it satisfy=
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your needs?

(and if you say, "but i want them out of the taskbar altogether!" i'll poin=
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you to the window settings in kwin for "skip taskbar" ;)

> That would actually make the Traybar another kind of Taskbar, but why not?

the answer is in the question.

> The Traybar is the most inconsistent UI thing invented ever, it can't be
> broken much more than it is by design ;~)

lol ... well, see, i'm attempting to fix it, not break it further =3DP

> > User: "why are only SOME of my windows in the taskbar?"
>
> Admin: "Because you put the other ones explicitly to the Traybar?"

User: "Damn geeks. No wonder I hate computers."

> Per default no app at all should minimize only to the Traybar (including
> KMix and friends).  But if the users chooses deliberately to minimize the
> app to the Traybar, he should know what he did :)

when i find the rainbow coloured world where users are this rational, i'll =
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sure to bring you with me =3DP

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Aaron J. Seigo
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