From kde-core-devel  Mon Feb 14 07:57:25 2005
From: "Aaron J. Seigo" <aseigo () kde ! org>
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:57:25 +0000
To: kde-core-devel
Subject: Re: thoughts on the systray
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On Sunday 13 February 2005 06:12, G=C3=A1bor Lehel wrote:
> In my opinion the problem isn't apps embedding themselves in the tray
> for the sole purpose of being embedded in the tray per se, as it can
> be useful and there's certainly situations where the user might want
> it, but rather that it is left to each app to decide this and not the
> user -- who is then stuck with some apps which are always in the
> systray, and others (s)he can't get out of it.

we have systray icon hiding and a proper systray spec would make that a lot=
=20
more powerful. if we them remove the icons that shouldn't be there from the=
ir=20
applications i think a lot of these issues will evaporate. our HIG will nee=
d=20
to cover what's not appropriate in the systray.

> My thought was to have some sort of KWin-titlebar-action for this,
> combining it with a few other things (possibly including but not
> limited to, on all desktops, keep above others, etc.), essentially a
> way for the user to say 'this app is important'. That way the user
> gets total control over which apps are in the systray, and which
> aren't.

i think this belongs more in the taskbar than the systray.

> (Or, rambling now, maybe have a seperate area for these sorts=20
> of apps, to seperate them from the 'notification area' -- maybe also

for the record, i'm not happy with the term 'notification area' because it=
=20
doesn't reflect reality. if we remove the context menus from the system tra=
y,=20
users will lynch us (well, me. they blame me for everything in kicker these=
=20
days, no matter who does it =3DP ), and if we leave the context menus there=
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it's more than just notification.

moreover, "notification" immediately limits what people can do with the=20
systray. i'd rather say what is not acceptable in the tray rather than what=
=20
is and allow our application devs to come up with creative ideas that don't=
=20
fall within the realm of the "do nots". negative space vs. positive space =
=3D)

> replace their taskbar entry entirely with an icon in this area...).

and break UI consistency. no, let's not copy MacOS X here please.=20

User: "why are only SOME of my windows in the taskbar?"=20

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Aaron J. Seigo
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