In my opinion the problem isn't apps embedding themselves in the tray for the sole purpose of being embedded in the tray per se, as it can be useful and there's certainly situations where the user might want it, but rather that it is left to each app to decide this and not the user -- who is then stuck with some apps which are always in the systray, and others (s)he can't get out of it. My thought was to have some sort of KWin-titlebar-action for this, combining it with a few other things (possibly including but not limited to, on all desktops, keep above others, etc.), essentially a way for the user to say 'this app is important'. That way the user gets total control over which apps are in the systray, and which aren't. (Or, rambling now, maybe have a seperate area for these sorts of apps, to seperate them from the 'notification area' -- maybe also replace their taskbar entry entirely with an icon in this area...). On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:30:20 -0700, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Sunday 13 February 2005 04:22, Ingo Klöcker wrote: > > It's funny to see that you want to eliminate the functionality which was > > the most requested functionality of the KMail applet, i.e. hide KMail > > if the applet is clicked. Or did I misunderstand what you want to > > eliminate? > > no, i don't want to eliminate "minimize/restore on click", but i would like to > eliminate systray icons that are ONLY (or at least primarily) used for that > and nothing more. kmail/kontact uses the icon for status as well and > therefore belongs in the systray =) > > -- > Aaron J. Seigo > GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 > > > -- Work is punishment for failing to procrastinate effectively. Mailing lists: illissius@gmail.com, everything else: illissius@elitemail.org