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On Saturday 22 January 2005 13:16, Benjamin Meyer wrote:
> On Saturday 22 January 2005 7:53 am, Ingo Kl=F6cker wrote:
> > On Thursday 20 January 2005 22:44, Benjamin Meyer wrote:
> > The
> > problem is that currently the placement of the quick search in
> > KMail/JuK (directly above the message/song list) makes it
> > immediately clear to the user that the quick search influences the
> > list view. The quick search in Konqueror OTOH is something
> > fundamentally different because it doesn't influence the view.
> > Instead it initiates a search on the web.
>
> Well actually you can have it search the page by clicking on the
> Google button and selecteding "Find in this page".

Too bad I've immediately disabled this plugin or else I might have=20
actually found this hidden feature. :-)

> > Another quick search is in KAddressBook. It's also a view filter.
> > It consists of a lineedit + a "where to search in" dropdown (which
> > is superfluous IMO) + a "Filter" dropdown (which makes it easy to
> > filter for categories and is very useful IMO). Hmm, in fact
> > KAddressBook doesn't even seem to have an advanced search dialog. I
> > guess that's why there's this "where to search in" dropdown.
>
> Yah KAddressBook is an interesting case.  Its search goes the entire
> length of the application and looks *very* similar to a toolbar (and
> frustrated me to no end when I first tried to hide/move it), but
> really doesn't go with the list, but all the widgets.  Would this be
> a case where it should be in the toolbar because it modifies the
> entire window?

I think with regard to Kontact that it looks better where it currently=20
is.

> > > The key idea is that it is a quick search.  It should always be
> > > present, easy to use and take up little to no room on the screen.
> > >  If I was able to figure out how to get the Clear button inside
> > > the line edit I would advocate that, as it is simpler.
> >
> > Can you post a screenshot of this? I can't imagine how a clear
> > button inside a combobox lineedit with an icon on the left can be
> > anything but confusing.
>
> It was actually my wife (who has a iBook) who pointed this one out to
> me on her laptop a simpler way.
>
> Empty search widget:
> http://developer.apple.com/macosx/tiger/images/saved-search.jpg
> Search widget with text in it and clear button:
> http://images.apple.com/ilife/iphoto/images/organizesearch20051011.jpg

Those lineedits are no combobox lineedits. I wondered how the clear=20
button would look like in those (in which there's already the dropdown=20
arrow on the right).

> At first I thought it was bad design to have the button show/hide
> like that, but after playing with it for ten minutes I was most
> impressed with the design.  It was clean and intuitive.  When the box
> was empty I don't need to clear it so why present that option to the
> user?.

Sure. If just the lineedit is cleared by the button. But in KMail the=20
Clear button resets the whole quick search. Therefore it can't be=20
placed inside the lineedit. And even if we'd use a combined=20
dropdown-lineedit it would be confusing (IMO) if clicking on the clear=20
button would not only clear the text in the lineedit but also reset the=20
dropdown.

> Taking small steps would anyone object if I only added the search
> icon to KListViewSearchLineWidget and KIconViewSearchLineWidget?

At least I don't object.

Regards,
Ingo

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