I'd like to recommend moving artsbuilder and other associated arts apps in kdemultimedia to kdenonbeta. It seems like they are unmaintained and at least artsbuilder is completely unusable. I spent some time on it, but it's full of STL and hand-coded pthreads and very hard to debug. Valgrind shows a very large number of UMRs and other problems. Aside from those problems, artsbuilder seems to have major usability problems too. Input fields don't work properly, amongst other problems. -- George Staikos KDE Developer http://www.kde.org/ Staikos Computing Services Inc. http://www.staikos.net/