(Gosh, this sounds quite grumpy, doesn't it? 5 hours of work-related wrangling with Windows trying to get some embedded devel tools to work does that to me) All I mean is that it's not accurate that all this interoperability stuff is without cost, and that it can in fact harm users pretty directly, by diverting developer users. And since I particularly care deeply about a commitment to existing users and developers, I find that cost non-trivially high. -Maksim