From kde-core-devel Sat Dec 14 09:39:23 2002 From: Vadim Plessky Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:39:23 +0000 To: kde-core-devel Subject: Re: Looking for feedback on Gnome/KDE article X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=103985952529584 On Friday 13 December 2002 8:39 pm, Marco Fioretti wrote: | On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 12:21:10 at 12:21:10PM +0100, Stefan Gehn | (sgehn@gmx.net) wrote: | | > I always forget that ctrl-c/ctrl-v only works in the QT part of my | > desktop, GTK only uses the normal X-Clipboard. I doubt there will ever | > be a perfect clipboard-system :) | | Exactly! This is what I'm trying to understand, and the kind of thing | I'd like to see more interest/consciousness/development about: things | that make possible *and* easy (for non developers too!) to mix any part | of KDE, Gnome , or everything else maintaining | integration/interworking. In that way, people could be use "pure KDE", | "pure Gnome" or whatever without too many troubles. IIRC, we have had "clipboard" thread n kde-core-devel recently (cc:'ed to mailing list, archives at ) It seems problems you mentioned would be fixed in upcoming GTK2/GNOME2 releases (GNOME 2.2, scheduled for the end of Jan.2003) | | > > * One standard, centralized, font management system, for both display | > > and printing. | > > VP: it's called FontConfig. | > > KDE 3.1/Qt-3.1 use FontConfig. | > | > Then push the rest of the world to follow. FontConfig probably will not | > help me as a user with my OpenOffice nor will it help me with Gnumeric | > or other gtk/gnome apps as long as they do not use the new technique. | > The problem with standards and standard-libs is always the same: some | > people just don't want to use it or do not have the time to write | > support for it. | > Are there any comments about FontConfig coming from other projects like | > Mozilla, gtk, OO or whatever has to use FontConfig directly? | | Right again! Big (cross-platform!!) apps are one of the biggest | problem, probably, they have to take so many things into account. I do | plan, however, to ask similar questions on the Mozilla/OOo lists too, | to build a list of everything that (teoretically) could be improved. AFAIK, Galeon2 (based on GTK2/GNOME2) is in development, you will get AA and FontConfig support out of GTK2 for it. Same is valid about AbiWord (there is a development version which uses GTK2) As about "pure Mozilla" - I realy don't know what are development plans for it. list seems to be dead (or very close to death) - just a few people post on it, and very seldom. I am not subscribed to other Mozilla lists (and use Mozilla itself only for testing purposes) as about OpenOffice: well, 2 years ago GNOME people promised to "disassemble OO into parts/objects, make BONOBO objects out of those, and assemble those objects back into one great Office Suite". It seems this hasn't happen. Why? I really curious to know thier answer. If you can get some answers - pls post them back to the list, or send off-list. If OO gets, say, GTK2, or (even better) Qt 3.1 frontend - than problesm with font configuration would magically disappear in one second. Again, I am not aware about OO Roadmap and further developemnt direction. I just know that it developing very slowly, and still very bloated. Feel free to share info you can get. [...] | | As already said, expect posts from me to Mozilla/OOo to hear what they | say. Everybody else I should contact? I think you should also contact authots of AbiWord and Gnumeric. AFAIK, not all GNOME/GTK users share hype around OpenOffice, so pls give AbiWord/Gnumeric hackers a chance to tell their opinion. If you want to cover other office suites & browser developers as well - you may want to contact Hancom Linux (Hancom Office) and Opera Software, too. Both use Qt3 as a basis for thie producst, so most likely HancomOffice and Opera are *compatible* with KDE apps. But they certanly use own preferences for apps configuration, which is not very good. I would prefer it intergrated into KDE Contol Center (as KControl modules), or into some "QT Control Center". | | TIA. | Marco Fioretti -- Vadim Plessky SVG Icons * BlueSphere Icons 0.3.0 released http://svgicons.sourceforge.net My KDE page http://kde2.newmail.ru (English) KDE mini-Themes http://kde2.newmail.ru/themes/